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so

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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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here's gene steinberg

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not always going to be come on well you

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know what you have this avatar

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on

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skype

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you're smiling

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that's the way i like to remember you

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and think of you

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well

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like uh

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chaos in the desert or contact in the

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desert

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and see all the bliss bunnies and the

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wonderful love and light folks that are

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slowly edging ufology away from any sort

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of semblance of objectivity

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it's kind of hard not to get grumpy but

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you know i should take greg

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bishop and uh

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red pill junkies advice and just not buy

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into it you know it's it's a personal

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problem that these people have you know

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it's not

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there's nothing you can do about it

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bitching and moaning being grumpy

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so i just had fun while i was there i

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did uh a poll

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which uh got quite a quite a number of

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uh responses um

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basically the question was does giorgio

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you know use a male hair product or does

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he use aquanet uh where a this is not

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about donald trump is it no it's about

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giorgio zuclos ancient alien mr hair guy

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so i had a lot of fun

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somebody added a new uh pull

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you know multiple question answer which

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is uh

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sticking his finger in a light socket

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you know when i

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elbow my way through the crowd of women

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around his little booth

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i did pose the question on camera to him

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and he instantly said he puts his um

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finger into a socket to get that hair

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effect so

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i guess the truth uh now is out we've

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settled the controversy and

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i was able to get out from the azalea

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bush azalea bushes where i was hiding so

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i wouldn't be kicked out for being a

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crasher i'm going to put together a

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video for the

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after the paracast crowd

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or the paracast plus crowd and

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show

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some of the

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craziness that went on in 105 degree

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heat

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um it's just it's just brutal

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i mean i went into the cafeteria yeah

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it's 20 for lunch right and they have

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these little tiny

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wheat thin sized slices of what i can't

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call them a pizza slice just little

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chunks of pizza and they were ice cold i

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mean they could barely keep the

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cafeteria below 90

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and for 20 bucks you think at least the

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pizza would be warm

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the poor wilted kale salad i mean that's

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a real money maker gene those people are

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really generating some major cash flow

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there the people that own the retreat

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center also are putting on the the event

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it just has to be seen to be believed

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but you know make sure you wear your air

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conditioned underwear because you're

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going to need it

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i would think they'd be able to offer

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hot pizza just by leaving it outside

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you would think right

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but no

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so anyway yeah if that makes me grumpy

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that makes me grumpy what can i say i'm

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gonna try to turn over a new banana leaf

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you know kind of work on my attitude a

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little bit

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i don't know i think we sometimes need

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to have

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an attitude that's a little bit grumpy

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because some of the things that go on in

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this crazy universe

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make us feel grumpy you think oh

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the reason i maintain an even keel is

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not because of john keel by the way and

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even keel is because i am a trained

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radio broadcaster so they always said

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you got to be cheery no matter what's

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happening you've got to be cheery i

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remember

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did you ever hear hillary clinton do the

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dog bark

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every time she opens her mouth

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oh just a minute ba-boom

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but seriously there is something out

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there now the one we use

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for the tech night out live is howard

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dean remember howard dean went ah

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well he went yeehaw

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right well howard dean did that

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and that was it

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his presidential campaign was toast

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donald trump does worse things

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yes well we won't even go there he's in

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an audience say oh there's a jew over

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there hi jew oh there's a black american

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over there

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well let's you know not get too far into

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the political discussion here but i will

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say i made a fake movie trailer

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called the hurricane hillary express and

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cackle

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the east from the wizard of oz and i'll

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tell you that it's it just morphs

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perfectly and it's it's actually quite

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frightening let's do this on after the

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power cast this week

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let's play the audio of that

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i could probably figure out a way to do

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it uh or you could just go to my uh

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youtube channel and dial it up

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you see my wife does that

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my wife does a really good imitation of

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the wicked witch's laugh

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and her laugh is very you know very soft

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and girlish but she does his imitation

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and then she imitates clinton's laugh

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okay well all right so i don't know she

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might be able to duplicate it for us you

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know like

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i could probably find that section of

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audio and pull it out well that would be

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good i think we can really have fun

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there i mean not that any of this makes

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any sense to anybody but i think what's

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happened this year

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and this is not about any particular

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political candidate although maybe it is

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and that is the tv networks have

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revealed their true colors

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they are profit-making businesses

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it's not liberal media it's not

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conservative media it is corporate media

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they are here to make a profit they

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don't care one quit about the news

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unless they get eyeballs on their

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websites

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clicks on their ads

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and ratings

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if it's none of the above they'll change

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their story yeah

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well i mean

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the american way indeed

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that's right i don't know we've got some

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really really terrific guests coming up

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on the show in the next couple of weeks

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we'll be hearing from robert damon

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schneck

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now that's a perfect author's name by

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the way some people have names that are

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perfect for writing books and he's got

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one of them he has a book called the bye

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bye man and other strange but true tales

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it's nice to have a place with ghost

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stories nice have a ghost story episode

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so we'll have that we'll have a lot of

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fun with him

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and then we've got joseph farrell

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returning for kind of a

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breakaway civilization round table and

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walter bosley to return

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to be one of the panelists i think we're

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going to have a great time so that's in

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the next two weeks did you notice that

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uh the producer

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jim mars pr person

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contacted us requesting a slot for jim

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to be on the show he was one of the few

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speakers at contact in the desert that

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i would have gone and seen if i had uh

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paid my 270

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or however much it was uh

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danny sheehan was there um also uh i

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think eminently listenable

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the always irrepressible richard dolan

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there were a number of people that were

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there that i i really felt sort of

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lifted it

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above its uh prior years

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speaker lineups so it'd be neat to have

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jim mars on i don't he's not been on the

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show since i've been a co-host i'm not

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even sure if was he on in the early

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years gene

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he was on with i think paul kimball i'm

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gonna have to look it up yeah it'd be

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great to have him back he's uh jim's

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jim's just a really really top-notch

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researcher and

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and and uh and pretty level-headed i

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some of his uh his work is pretty out

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it's march 7th 2010

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and this was one of our early co-hosts

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who no longer does it and that's frank

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warren

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so if you want to hear the first episode

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we did with jim mars

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it's march 7 2010

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frank warren and jim mars

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and we called jim mars the czar of

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conspiracy theorists

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wait

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yeah plus we should do a listener

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roundtable too i think we're about

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about at that point in the year where um

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we should touch bases with

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with our very very uh up to speed and

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in many cases brilliant listeners uh

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go ahead and throw it out there and

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and sort of let the chips fall where

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they may

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or let them a fall where they chip yeah

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love that too

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all right we'll let the may fall with a

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chip today

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colonel john b

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alexander

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the non-lethal guy

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all right he hasn't been on for a couple

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of years and i thought it was high time

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to get him back on now this guy's got a

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great life by the way you know he's out

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there he swims in the morning then he'll

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come and do the show and i don't know

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what he'll do in the afternoon maybe sit

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back and have a cocktail what a life

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we'll have to ask him

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about what he does and how he does it

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because i would like to know

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and chris would like to know you know

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he's got 26 jobs right now grumpy chris

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i'd be grumpy too if i was like that

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in any case john b alexander with gina

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we're joined by colonel john b alexander

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this week on the power cast it's a

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couple of years since he appeared with

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us

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he came on he was telling me that he was

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having kind of a midday breakfast is it

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is that what you were just eating

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no it's lunch but it's just the first

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time that i eat

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so you no longer eat breakfast i have to

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have breakfast

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oh i meet with us we have special forces

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dinosaurs that get together every

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wednesday morning which this is and

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like i said i just don't start eating

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until about noon

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being an owl i much prefer later than

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these

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early

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risers it's funny i've been calling

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myself the tech night out for

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i don't know 15 years now

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and

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the thing is here is that these days

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i go to sleep by about

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10 o'clock or so and i'm off about six

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so i don't know what kind of night owl i

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am

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anymore

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no

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midnight's early for me

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well welcome back to the show john it's

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been a long time uh good to hear your

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voice

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hi chris

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how's victoria doing

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oh very well

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you guys still traveling up a storm like

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you were last year

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a fair amount

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recently back from brazil

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some of the stuff that happened there

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but uh yeah i'm very interested to hear

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it yeah okay yeah it's it's amazing it's

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hard to keep up with you sometimes

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so uh you're still doing your journeys

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uh checking out uh shamanic traditions

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and

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the next

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next scheduled one is diving with great

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white sharks

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a little different and i think

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depending on when the last time was that

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we talked uh

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you had just swam with the with the gray

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whales i believe oh okay i was going to

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say two years ago we were with

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humpback whales and uh tonga well as

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someone that's had to deal with a lot of

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politicians in your uh your

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long and storied career

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you've had a lot of practice swimming

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with sharks so uh

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i i'm not i'm not too alarmed

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by that you're not going down to south

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africa are you where they where they

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leap out of the water and grab seals and

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stuff no this is isle de guadalupe which

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is a couple hundred miles off mexico

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oh okay well that's uh

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yeah warmer climbs

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you'll you'll see that uh island quite a

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bit

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so i hope you hope they're gonna give

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you a cage or you're just gonna scare

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them off with your uh

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we actually were scheduled a year ago

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and uh hurricane patrick came through

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and disrupted things

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even though it went in further south uh

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the waters were i guess too choppy they

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said you got to go a couple of hundred

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miles once you've checked in in mexico

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itself so it got

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got delayed

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well i don't think i need to wish you

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luck because you wouldn't do it if you

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thought you needed some so uh you know i

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i have fun

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closing another adventure

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boy i'll say um

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you should give workshops so other

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people can figure out how to

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do the amount of traveling to

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interesting places and meet intriguing

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people like you do so where do we want

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to go today

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well that's a good question we've got uh

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got quite a bit that we can talk about

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anything on your mind lately that's uh

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stuff that you've been researching or

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working on we'd love to uh catch up

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with your

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process a little bit and talk you know

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some about your travels

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given the show uh did have an

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interesting incident last

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november i had my second ufo sighting

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what was significant about that

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was i was down visiting in north

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carolina visiting an individual who had

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a story

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that

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if i

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just listened to it we would have

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you know chucked it off and just say

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this is just too impossible

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which includes abduction and missing

501
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time and interaction with some kind of

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creepy crawlers and some robotic things

503
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and ufos sitting there and

504
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continuing events

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so

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victoria and i went down last november

507
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and we uh

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the individual took us to the site where

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this had taken place

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in the area sort of what i call

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transitional it's uh

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quasi-rural but you know close to

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metropolitan area and building up

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so if went down explained where

515
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everything had uh had occurred it was

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down near a river

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really muddy and hard to get to

518
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so we came back up

519
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early evening just getting dark

520
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and we're standing by the car just

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chit-chatting about you know background

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material and all of a sudden he says oh

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i feel they're here

524
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and within 15 seconds something just

525
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popped into the site above us and went

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zipping off to the south

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so the sighting itself wasn't that

528
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you know dramatic but it's the temporal

529
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relationship where the individual said i

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feel they're here and

531
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sure enough it appears

532
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well that

533
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let's talk about that a little bit now i

534
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have talked with a number of people over

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the years that

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claim to have some sort of

537
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ability such as you describe of picking

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up

539
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some sort of energy field or

540
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i'm not exactly sure you know what

541
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people are picking up ray stanford comes

542
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to mind

543
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um he's he's someone that uh

544
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claims that he can tell when when things

545
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are around what did

546
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is this a consciousness thing is it a

547
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physiological thing picking up on

548
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possibly changes in magnetic field or

549
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gravitational fields what do you think

550
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what's behind that

551
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well i have a slide that i use in all of

552
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my presentations on phenomena and some

553
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:03,200
others and in it it affects uh of course

554
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ufos and near-death experience after

555
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death

556
00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:09,159
uh fire walking

557
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psychokinesis of metal bending

558
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uh even

559
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susquash and whatnot

560
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and the words that go with that is

561
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i think all of these are interrelated

562
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somehow no i can't be exactly sure how

563
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but i believe that consciousness

564
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is a piece of that

565
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one of the problems that we have

566
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and often on shows like this where they

567
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try to stovepipe and they say okay we'll

568
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talk about ufos or poltergeists or

569
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psychokinesis or whatnot and

570
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:46,000
look at them you know in isolation

571
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i couldn't agree more i've been an

572
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advocate for

573
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some sort of unified field theory work

574
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uh for quite a while

575
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my trickster book was an attempt to

576
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begin that process because i found that

577
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oftentimes there's a trick trickster-ish

578
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element that seems to i don't know be

579
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consistent almost uh throughout the

580
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literature there's always some

581
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inexplicable thing that uh

582
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tends to be uh

583
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held back often times by the witness

584
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because for fear that it would call the

585
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rest of

586
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the experience or account into question

587
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i find that oftentimes some of the more

588
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compelling elements of a particular

589
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series of events or event is

590
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the inexplicable nature of an element of

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that

592
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physical

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besides consciousness do you think that

594
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there's a way for the human body to be

595
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tuned to changes in

596
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environment

597
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yeah obviously that happens that there

598
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is a physiological response of some kind

599
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we have john alexander with gene and

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this is leslie kane and i'm with the

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coalition for freedom of information and

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so as the discussion started with

702
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colonel john alexander talking about the

703
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possibilities here of a unified field

704
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theory accounting for all the ins and

705
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,360
outs of a paranormal experience it's not

706
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:35,919
just a ghost it's not just a ufo chris

707
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:38,720
asked a question of colonel alexander

708
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would you continue your response please

709
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:43,120
well

710
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:44,720
i think one of the things that he asked

711
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:47,360
about or mentioned is really quite

712
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:50,320
important and almost ubiquitous

713
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:52,960
and that is the trickster component and

714
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:55,440
one of the problems you have is none of

715
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:58,480
these things ever always fit

716
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:00,080
no matter what you do when you're

717
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:02,320
setting phenomena usually you start down

718
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:03,440
a path

719
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:05,919
and all of a sudden you see

720
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:09,279
a significant ship if you take ufos

721
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:11,360
look at how many times you know the

722
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:13,760
whole context has changed from old air

723
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:16,480
ships to where whether having more

724
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:18,799
abductions the kinds of things that are

725
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:21,520
seen etc

726
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:24,799
but the trickster tends to show up

727
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,990
what's locally known as skinwalker ranch

728
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:33,840
as you know i worked for bob and had

729
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:35,919
spent time up there

730
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and there were very very strange things

731
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:40,880
that happened no doubt about it when we

732
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:43,600
had you know the ranch instrumented

733
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:46,000
and it was kind of amazing how many

734
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:49,520
things would happen like just off camera

735
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:52,240
and i've always said that there seems to

736
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:54,880
be some kind of higher consciousness at

737
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:55,760
play

738
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:59,120
it certainly has a sense of humor

739
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:01,200
and you start studying something and

740
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:03,360
then it's like whatever that is the

741
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:04,720
controlling

742
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,240
force goes ah you like that try this

743
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,480
and throws you know something from left

744
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,480
field at you

745
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:14,720
well the classic example would be the

746
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:16,720
the one camera filming the other camera

747
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,559
and having the one camera

748
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:20,799
not pick up how the the wires were

749
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:23,520
jerked out of the camera on in in in

750
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:24,320
view

751
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:25,840
i mean that to me is is one of the

752
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,080
classics of the literature especially

753
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:30,000
with the kind of talent that was up

754
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:30,799
there

755
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:33,440
uh you know in real time observing this

756
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,080
it's just inconceivable to me that uh

757
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:38,399
a scientist wouldn't walk away from that

758
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,840
convinced that there was something

759
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,520
really uh

760
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,520
almost i don't know i

761
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:45,360
the trickster word is is kind of

762
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:46,720
overused i think is a little bit

763
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:48,799
misunderstood by most people out there i

764
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:50,480
know you you uh

765
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:52,080
you're well aware of it

766
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,320
we're being toyed with in in in one

767
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:56,640
sense of the word it's it's uh

768
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:58,480
it's almost like a cat and mouse game

769
00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:00,480
it's like how how much

770
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:01,919
can it do

771
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:03,840
before you just throw your hands up and

772
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:05,679
just say that's it

773
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:07,200
i've had enough

774
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:09,520
i said that a long time ago folks i

775
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,679
really did i mean you look at this

776
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:13,679
year's election in the u.s and you know

777
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:19,590
i assume we're not doing a political

778
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,640
show

779
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,320
although we can

780
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:24,240
we've been spanked here in recent weeks

781
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:27,039
for uh diving into the political realm

782
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:28,880
a lot of our listeners that's a lot they

783
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:30,559
tune into our show to get away from all

784
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,960
that so we do we do try to you know dole

785
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,559
it out in uh

786
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:36,240
bite-sized increments let's put it that

787
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:37,120
way

788
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:39,520
i would ask then if you saw my last

789
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,320
publication huffington post called the

790
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,880
day democracy died

791
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:46,000
oh boy

792
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,799
well okay you raised the issue

793
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,399
please tell me more

794
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:52,720
let's go there definitely okay we're

795
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:54,640
gonna get spanked here so let me put on

796
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my

797
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kevlar suit

798
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:02,960
all those bat utilities go ahead no you

799
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:04,880
don't really have to i say the day

800
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:07,600
democracy died and it had been on life

801
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:11,440
support before but was 21 january

802
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:14,880
uh 2010. uh that's the day that uh

803
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:17,840
citizens united uh came down and just

804
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:20,399
playing everything

805
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you know where

806
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as

807
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:25,279
romney famously said corporations are

808
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:27,360
people we have

809
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:28,159
just

810
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:31,679
ridiculous amounts of money being put in

811
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:34,880
and that it goes to without

812
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:37,039
knowing where it comes from the lack of

813
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:39,279
transparency with the packs and super

814
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pacs where the donors don't have to be

815
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:43,519
uh named

816
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:44,960
one of the things i point to in the

817
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:47,760
article i said you know tip o'neill once

818
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:48,559
said

819
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:51,840
all politics is local that is no longer

820
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:54,000
true that may be where you go to vote

821
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:58,080
but you see now external funds come in

822
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:01,919
for instance uh remember the governor of

823
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:04,880
wisconsin was supposed to be recalled

824
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,360
and in my view should have been even

825
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:10,000
though it was my home state uh at one

826
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:10,880
point

827
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:13,360
well you know they did some funky stuff

828
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:16,159
at the ballot box there i understand

829
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:18,159
well now the biggest thing there was the

830
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:20,720
amount of money there was uh i think

831
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:23,200
it's about 30 million dollars came in

832
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:25,919
from outside funds people outside the

833
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:29,760
state to influence that election well

834
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:31,840
you know what there's something else too

835
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:34,320
just to show you what's admitted so we

836
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,399
have that governor who ran for president

837
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:38,960
for about an hour had plenty of money

838
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,360
from the koch brothers

839
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:42,960
and then was

840
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:46,320
shellacked by trump and the others okay

841
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:47,039
now

842
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:48,799
governor walker

843
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:51,600
was fooled one time by a prankster

844
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:53,760
where someone calls up pretending to be

845
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:56,399
david koch of the koch brothers thanking

846
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:57,919
him for everything and he goes along

847
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,519
with the gag oh it's so great to hear

848
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:00,960
from you and everything

849
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:03,120
now i would think with any normal

850
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:04,880
political campaign

851
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,120
that should have sunk him

852
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:09,440
this proves he is in the hip pocket of a

853
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:11,039
billionaire

854
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:12,559
well he won anyway

855
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:14,720
well the koch brothers i'd recommend

856
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:17,279
here a book called dark money

857
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:19,919
because they put together a rather

858
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:22,480
massive organization

859
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:25,919
you know they had claimed prior to

860
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:27,760
nomination of trump that they were going

861
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:30,480
to put in close to a billion dollars

862
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,960
into the national election this time

863
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:34,080
around

864
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:36,080
uh it now looks like they're going to

865
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,519
disperse that and rather than working on

866
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:41,519
the national election

867
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:44,080
use the money to influence

868
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,760
local

869
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,519
areas where they think

870
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:49,200
republican

871
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:52,480
candidates may be in trouble or can be

872
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:56,000
boosted over the hump and gain new seeds

873
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:58,159
but the at the problem is as they put

874
00:34:02,470 --> 00:33:59,919
this together

875
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,480
and while they happen to be

876
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:04,880
very visible there are others behind

877
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:07,760
them putting in lots and lots of money

878
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,480
you have no idea who they are or what

879
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:12,159
they're sponsoring

880
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,159
right and on the other side of the coin

881
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:16,560
you have george soros who's been doing

882
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:19,040
similar things for quite some time

883
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,520
and not only in this country but in

884
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:23,280
other countries as well

885
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:26,159
yeah that is

886
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,520
that is not an equal comparison by any

887
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:31,520
stretch of the imagination you know

888
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:34,639
there have been a few

889
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:36,560
progressive or liberal

890
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:39,440
sponsors uh out there

891
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,359
but when you start comparing the amounts

892
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:43,919
of money yeah i mean it is

893
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,919
more than an order of magnitude out of

894
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,359
balance

895
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:49,440
i think a good term would be pocket

896
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:50,560
depth

897
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:53,200
well the problem is this lack of

898
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,560
transparency

899
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:57,040
right well citizens united and i

900
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:00,320
absolutely agree uh when i

901
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:02,320
like many people it sort of caught me

902
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:04,079
unawares i didn't think that it was

903
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,680
possible for

904
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:07,440
a supreme court decision to come down

905
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,720
that would allow

906
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,040
for a complete um

907
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:13,520
you know auctioning off of our

908
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,200
of our electoral uh process and and

909
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:19,440
you know it just uh it goes to show that

910
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:20,320
uh

911
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:22,000
you know

912
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:28,000
interests in this uh in this system

913
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:30,560
are now absolutely in charge there's no

914
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:32,880
there's no two ways about it and i've

915
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:35,040
seen more and more people attempting to

916
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:37,200
adopt the idea that uh

917
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:40,800
all politicians should wear the logos of

918
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:43,119
the pacs and corporations that are

919
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,200
funding them on their clothing so that

920
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:47,680
at a glance the average person can see

921
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:49,599
who they're who they're beholden to and

922
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,680
i i think that things would change a

923
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:53,280
little bit uh it would it would

924
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,119
definitely be colorful

925
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:57,920
now it's interesting here about all this

926
00:36:02,550 --> 00:35:59,599
from what i read

927
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:02,560
a politician has to spend one third to

928
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,400
one half his time

929
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:06,640
seeking donations to fund the next

930
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:07,680
campaign

931
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:09,760
it's more than that

932
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:12,160
well in 60 minutes piece they were

933
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,119
talking to you know

934
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:18,000
representatives from both

935
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,560
both parties and said there are call

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rooms because they can't call from their

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office

938
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but they're expected to spend 30 to 40

939
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hours per week

940
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asking for donations part of it for them

941
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is that they also have to

942
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ask for money for the um

943
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party and this is where i say the

944
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:41,119
amounts of money are just ridiculous

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hi this is james fox from chasing ufos

1053
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you're listening to the paracast the

1054
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now before your listeners say oh you're

1055
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liberal you're a conservative whatever

1056
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:29,359
you are and not to talk politics

1057
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:31,440
anytime you get involved in a conspiracy

1058
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:34,880
involving a political figure or an

1059
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agency of government it's political air

1060
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force secrecy about ufos

1061
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the kennedy assassination 9 11

1062
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:44,960
conspiracies governments enter it and

1063
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:47,440
we're talking here colonel alexander

1064
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,839
about the influence of big business and

1065
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,280
i'm getting the impression that more and

1066
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:53,359
more politicians are getting sick of

1067
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:54,560
this

1068
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:57,200
because you know a lot of them whatever

1069
00:42:02,390 --> 00:41:59,599
party this is not democrat or republican

1070
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:02,400
folks go in there not to

1071
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:04,880
make money but they really believe in

1072
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in helping making a difference and they

1073
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get in they realize that their number

1074
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:11,280
one task is not serving their

1075
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,800
constituents

1076
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,640
or even local businesses it's getting

1077
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:16,640
re-elected that's right and to get

1078
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,599
reelected they have to spend most of

1079
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,520
their time or a very hefty portion of

1080
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,599
their time soliciting money so if they

1081
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have to put 30 40 hours a week

1082
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:28,319
doing that what do they do next well i

1083
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,800
suppose what they have to do then is to

1084
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work 60 or 80 hours a week to actually

1085
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:34,800
get something done yeah but they spend

1086
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:37,440
most of time on vacation it's probably

1087
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,079
not a fair comment

1088
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,800
you know i had known al gore this was

1089
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,880
back in antiquity and

1090
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:46,560
then married tipper

1091
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:49,280
she said you know we have three staffs

1092
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you have one staff that's uh the staff

1093
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,319
for the office

1094
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,040
you have one staff that's for

1095
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the constituency back

1096
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you know in your home district and the

1097
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:03,280
third staff

1098
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,640
that is you know running for re-election

1099
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:08,880
and he says when you get done dealing

1100
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,240
with all that there is no time left yeah

1101
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:14,880
so when you go home i mean there's no

1102
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,280
your home theoretically you're back

1103
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:19,760
dealing with your constituents and and

1104
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:21,760
most of them are

1105
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:25,760
but uh yeah maybe the problem you have

1106
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:28,319
though is a catch-22

1107
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:29,359
you know once you get on the

1108
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merry-go-round how do you get off

1109
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:33,599
because it's not stopping

1110
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,760
yeah especially uh if you're a congress

1111
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:37,599
person uh because of the you know

1112
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:38,720
two-year

1113
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:41,119
term i mean it's it's it's just a

1114
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,440
treadmill i've been hearing this this uh

1115
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:45,280
this comment more and more late lately

1116
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:47,119
that uh the the easiest way or the

1117
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:48,720
quickest way to become a millionaire in

1118
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:50,000
this country is to be elected to

1119
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:52,000
congress you just gave me an idea here

1120
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,200
seriously

1121
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,280
i was working at a radio station i think

1122
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:57,119
1974.

1123
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:59,119
this is a radio station in philadelphia

1124
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,400
suburbs

1125
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:02,480
and a local political official comes

1126
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:03,520
over to me

1127
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:04,880
and he says

1128
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,119
would you like to run for congress

1129
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:09,839
a guy you know who hasn't reached 30 i'm

1130
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,400
in my 20s folks i'm not as old as i look

1131
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:14,160
i'm in my 20s

1132
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:16,480
and i'm being asked to run for congress

1133
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:17,920
and i said you know i can't do that

1134
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:20,560
because i'd be out of a job

1135
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:22,079
because i can't run for congress and be

1136
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:23,920
on the radio and this is my paycheck i'm

1137
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,800
just a regular guy making a living

1138
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:28,560
and they realized that

1139
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:31,280
but on the other hand i possibly

1140
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:35,119
gave away a large income there if i had

1141
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,800
made that decision and got myself

1142
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:38,160
elected

1143
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:39,200
hey

1144
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,400
you know i'd be

1145
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,480
dealing with all that corporate money

1146
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:44,240
i'd be a millionaire now

1147
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,160
but i'm glad i didn't after you leave

1148
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:48,720
office you get back into

1149
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,240
consulting and lobbying right

1150
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:54,560
well let's let's kind of uh dovetail our

1151
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,280
political discussion into a comment that

1152
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:59,200
hillary made that kind of took off in

1153
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,720
the media

1154
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:02,400
she was asked i think in new hampshire

1155
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:04,880
about the ufo uh

1156
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:07,599
connection uh with john podesta and and

1157
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,079
her apparent interest uh with the

1158
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:12,240
rockefeller initiative uh i think

1159
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,920
spurred the question on and she made

1160
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:15,440
some comment yes we're gonna look into

1161
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:18,720
area 54 in new mexico

1162
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:20,800
did you catch that

1163
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:23,200
uh no

1164
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:25,839
articles where she has talked positively

1165
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:29,040
about the ufo thing before we go on john

1166
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,480
i maintain

1167
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,640
it's not ignorance she just misspoke but

1168
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,240
let's go on

1169
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:36,960
well my point because as you know in my

1170
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:40,640
book on ufos i talked about political uh

1171
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:43,359
you know holding congressional hearings

1172
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:46,800
and the point was that ufos are a

1173
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:49,040
political albatross

1174
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:51,599
now i don't know if it's changed or not

1175
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,160
and you know the problem is that the

1176
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,480
opponents you've seen a little of this

1177
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,319
not as much as i would have expected i

1178
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:00,720
think it'll pop up but

1179
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,960
you know the context is going to be

1180
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:04,560
here's somebody who wants to support

1181
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:07,680
ufos she must be crazy right

1182
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:08,880
well look what happened to dennis

1183
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:10,880
kucinich

1184
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,480
oh exactly i use that example uh in the

1185
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,240
book and he

1186
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:18,560
you know they brought him up and the

1187
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:20,319
question that he asked

1188
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:23,520
was just you know what if you know a

1189
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:25,359
very benign

1190
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:28,160
reasonable question and the press

1191
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:30,560
eviscerated him for it

1192
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:33,119
well reagan got away with it

1193
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:35,839
ah not really you did not hear him

1194
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:39,200
talking about it this came out in books

1195
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:40,079
after

1196
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,839
but you did not hear him as an advocate

1197
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:45,440
uh

1198
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:48,079
well he he did po

1199
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,280
sort of

1200
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:51,680
posit that comment about you know if if

1201
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:54,960
we were threatened by an alien uh

1202
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:56,319
force forcing the outside would that

1203
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:58,160
bring everything together

1204
00:47:01,109 --> 00:47:00,319
that's so far different from advocating

1205
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:01,119
for

1206
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,040
to give an example

1207
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:05,520
my friend claiborne pell

1208
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,760
who was one of the longest-serving

1209
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:09,599
senators

1210
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:13,200
from rhode island and he attended a

1211
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:14,560
mufon

1212
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,640
meeting once because it happened to be

1213
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:18,720
in the washington area

1214
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:21,520
and got skewered for that and the

1215
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:24,160
washington post even held that against

1216
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:26,319
him in his obituary

1217
00:47:30,550 --> 00:47:27,520
so he

1218
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:30,560
literally follows you to the grave

1219
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,920
wow that's a third rail toxic uh

1220
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,760
subject i guess in many people's minds

1221
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:37,200
hopefully this is changing i think the

1222
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:39,359
younger generation is

1223
00:47:41,309 --> 00:47:40,079
uh

1224
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:41,319
are more

1225
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:44,720
open-minded and less uh intolerant of

1226
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:47,359
the subject i think uh

1227
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:50,960
issue really is now if the question is

1228
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,400
do people believe in ufos the answer is

1229
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:56,960
overwhelmingly yes

1230
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:59,680
but in the political context

1231
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:01,839
it has changed it has nothing to do with

1232
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:04,880
ufos it has to do with you know mental

1233
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:12,630
well i always like john judge's uh

1234
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:15,280
interpretation of the ufo acronym as

1235
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:22,630
i just thought that was kind of cute

1236
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,520
um so you don't think uh there's a

1237
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:27,440
snowball's chance in hell that even if

1238
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:28,880
hillary let's say

1239
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:30,640
you know hypothetically does get into

1240
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:32,559
office it'll just be the same

1241
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:34,400
story all over again

1242
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:37,520
uh you know yeah i think pretty much

1243
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:39,680
i have not talked to podesta and i would

1244
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:42,640
really like to do that to see

1245
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,319
what he thinks is

1246
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,960
is out there

1247
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:48,960
i think he takes it very seriously

1248
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:50,960
because he wrote the introduction to

1249
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:53,839
leslie kane's ufo book and he's the one

1250
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,200
who apparently

1251
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,520
he put up a tweet saying that one of the

1252
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,040
things he regrets from the time he

1253
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,440
worked with the obama administration is

1254
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,599
they made no progress in that

1255
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:05,760
right that doesn't mean that there is

1256
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:08,240
progress to be made

1257
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,359
yeah

1258
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:11,280
i would like to know if he knows

1259
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:14,640
something the rest of us don't

1260
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:16,960
which is pretty unlikely i i would that

1261
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:20,720
would be my guess uh well remember when

1262
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:23,599
president bill clinton was in office he

1263
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:25,520
did ask the question

1264
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:26,319
right

1265
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:27,599
yeah

1266
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:29,200
you know what was the comment he said

1267
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:30,640
i'm going to have webb hubble find out

1268
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:31,680
two things

1269
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:34,559
one who killed kennedy and

1270
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:37,280
are ufos real or what are ufos or what

1271
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:43,030
and uh that was about the last we heard

1272
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:44,400
of that

1273
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:45,440
correct

1274
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:46,960
isn't it always

1275
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,119
you know this is so interesting

1276
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:51,200
it gets back to the promises made by

1277
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,640
politicians

1278
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:54,400
but i'm thinking here

1279
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:58,400
why would any self-respecting politician

1280
00:50:01,670 --> 00:50:00,640
want to say anything like this

1281
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,680
because

1282
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:03,599
unless there's a big ufo lobby of course

1283
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:04,960
i don't think there is

1284
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:12,150
the problem is going to be and

1285
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:15,599
for your listeners as well

1286
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:18,240
it's a very small group and they tend to

1287
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:19,760
talk to each other

1288
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,680
and in talking to each other they get

1289
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:23,599
the impression that they're much bigger

1290
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:26,559
than they really are

1291
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:29,520
you know i've got again one of my slides

1292
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,160
that that i use in there and

1293
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:34,720
i know the iufoc likes to talk about

1294
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:35,680
being

1295
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:38,000
you know the biggest ufo conference and

1296
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:42,559
they get a little over a thousand people

1297
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:43,520
to

1298
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:45,920
attend that

1299
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:47,599
actually

1300
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:50,880
farrakhan got a lot more

1301
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:53,520
in the black muslim

1302
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:54,400
conference

1303
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,079
and specifically on ufos but if if i can

1304
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,000
compare

1305
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,960
any ufo conference to comic-con

1306
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:04,960
you have multiples of those and you get

1307
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:07,599
into hundreds of thousands of people yes

1308
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:09,920
that that gives you kind of i think a

1309
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:11,119
relative

1310
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,960
level of interest

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welcome back to the paracast the gold

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and now

1383
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here's gene steinberg

1384
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,390
now john before we go on i wanted to ask

1385
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:26,559
you something which i had noticed and

1386
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:28,000
probably noticed on your previous

1387
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:30,079
appearances but didn't register

1388
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:31,680
and that is

1389
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:34,480
in your last book about ufos there was a

1390
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contribution there by none other than

1391
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:39,119
tom clancy

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now i'll just tell you i had several

1393
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:43,760
encounters with tom clancy in the 90s

1394
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:45,920
and to show you how stupid i was i

1395
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:48,559
didn't realize this is a best-selling

1396
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:50,079
multi-millionaire

1397
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:51,280
author

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00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:54,160
and that he wrote the novel hunt for red

1399
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,520
october and all that and i had seen the

1400
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:57,599
movie i didn't think that i thought he

1401
00:55:02,630 --> 00:54:59,920
was a guy writing me on aol for help to

1402
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:02,640
set up a cd-rom to work on his mac

1403
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:04,559
and so i helped him

1404
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:07,839
and then we talked a little bit i met

1405
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:09,680
him up at one of these

1406
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:12,079
computer expos mac world

1407
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:14,000
and the thing i remember last the last

1408
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:17,359
time i saw tom clancy he remarked how

1409
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:20,880
with regard to the actors playing

1410
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,359
jack ryan in the movies

1411
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:25,200
he thought harrison ford was a stupid

1412
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:26,400
guy

1413
00:55:30,790 --> 00:55:28,400
just just to mention that so what does

1414
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,800
tom clancy have to do with ufos

1415
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:33,119
they're literally well we spent a lot of

1416
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:36,240
time talking about this back and forth

1417
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:39,040
now the first iteration that took place

1418
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:40,960
in his apartment in

1419
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:43,839
the baltimore bay area

1420
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:46,640
was alexander if you weren't from

1421
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:48,720
los alamos i'd throw your ass out of

1422
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:49,520
here

1423
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:52,240
later it was would you tell me again

1424
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:54,160
some of that stuff

1425
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:55,760
and he says well i'm hearing this from

1426
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:58,720
other people now and not ones that you

1427
00:56:01,430 --> 00:56:00,240
would commonly

1428
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:01,440
know about

1429
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,040
uh there actually was a book in the mill

1430
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,440
called a hole in the sky

1431
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:10,079
uh which never got out

1432
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:12,319
i've talked to alex about trying to get

1433
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:15,359
it out he said the publishers did not

1434
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:16,720
want to

1435
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:17,920
pursue it

1436
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:19,520
because they wanted him to stay within

1437
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:24,960
genre but it did have a ufo et component

1438
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:27,200
to him and the story

1439
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:30,240
actually on the thing that he wrote was

1440
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:32,480
surprising to me because he had done a

1441
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:34,799
forward to future war which i had

1442
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:36,640
written before i was on non-lethal

1443
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:40,079
weapons so i did not expect

1444
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:41,920
a long commentary i was looking for a

1445
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:44,480
blurb you know good stuff read the book

1446
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:47,200
and it said he came back with you know

1447
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:50,799
what is in the book which was much more

1448
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:53,200
in in detail obviously and of course

1449
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:56,079
because i already had a

1450
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:59,280
forward coming from jacques boulay but

1451
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:00,799
you know when you get that from tom

1452
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:03,920
clancy you can't not use it the same was

1453
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:06,160
true with the bert rattan

1454
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:09,040
who came in kind of unexpectedly with

1455
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:12,240
several pages including his own sighting

1456
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:14,240
so at the end and

1457
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:16,559
clancy died several years ago

1458
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:17,680
right

1459
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:19,440
all his riches couldn't make him live

1460
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,400
longer

1461
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:22,400
he was what in his late 60s as a matter

1462
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:24,960
of fact no early 60s

1463
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:27,200
early 60s that was worse

1464
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:29,760
i was there for his 60th birthday party

1465
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:32,640
which was on the uss new jersey

1466
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:35,599
parked across from philadelphia and that

1467
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,079
was like a couple of years before

1468
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:40,480
he was born 1947

1469
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:44,640
he died in 2013. that makes him 66.

1470
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:45,599
okay

1471
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:48,160
he lied about his age that's the thing

1472
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,240
he was lying to you so you have to get

1473
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:52,559
him up on the ouija board and say tom

1474
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:54,480
you weren't telling the truth

1475
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:56,480
i'm just maybe short on the time but i

1476
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:58,640
was definitely there like i say

1477
00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:01,280
it was most amazing uh birthday party

1478
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:02,799
i've ever been to

1479
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:04,559
well he was a character i can tell you

1480
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:07,200
that and i got that impression also that

1481
00:58:10,860 --> 00:58:09,680
he was very impressed with himself

1482
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:10,870
oh yes

1483
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:13,839
[Laughter]

1484
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:15,839
actually we were at dinner

1485
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,960
it was a conference that i was chairing

1486
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:20,640
and he was there

1487
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:22,160
he was sitting we were sitting at the

1488
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:24,480
head table of course and one of his

1489
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,760
comments was i am smart i am really

1490
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,000
smart

1491
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:32,160
okay just to show you that

1492
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:35,200
dead authors never disappear

1493
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:37,119
they are right now doing development of

1494
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:40,319
a tv series entitled jack ryan

1495
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:41,280
yep

1496
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:43,200
in fact if you know

1497
00:58:49,829 --> 00:58:46,799
up center there's a whole series oh yeah

1498
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:49,839
and i had read one actually i was on a

1499
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:52,960
flight back to washington went down and

1500
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:55,359
talked to him because i said boy the the

1501
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:58,240
tone doesn't sound right and so i asked

1502
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:00,880
him i said well what uh you know what's

1503
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:03,040
your input thinking that i knew that

1504
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:04,960
there was a co-author and somebody had

1505
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:05,920
written it

1506
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:08,160
maybe they had discussed the plot or

1507
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:09,920
something like that and he go hell i

1508
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:12,240
don't even read them well

1509
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:13,920
well the net force books too are

1510
00:59:16,829 --> 00:59:15,520
spin-off from uh

1511
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:16,839
that have his

1512
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:19,599
name there are more books coming out

1513
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:21,920
today that are under

1514
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:25,599
you know tom clancy as an institution

1515
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:26,720
right

1516
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:29,040
not to mention video games and

1517
00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:30,000
oh yeah

1518
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:31,839
yeah it's quite a franchise i think

1519
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,760
would be the uh the term

1520
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:35,520
uh he's doing what donald trump does

1521
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:38,960
which is to attach his name to projects

1522
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:40,079
they get to the point where they don't

1523
00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:42,400
even own their own name

1524
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:45,839
it is literally an organization owned by

1525
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:47,200
somebody else

1526
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:50,400
i have run into that before

1527
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,640
tom kept him up so he could do things

1528
00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:54,240
like write

1529
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:56,079
blurbs and whatnot but there are people

1530
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:57,440
who don't

1531
01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:59,040
well definitely one of my favorite

1532
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:01,680
all-time authors i i think i've read

1533
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:04,480
pretty much anything with his name on it

1534
01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:06,000
not bad for a guy that started out i

1535
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:08,240
think as an insurance salesman and

1536
01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:11,280
decided to take up writing as a

1537
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:13,760
as a passion and i mean what a great

1538
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:16,160
writer i mean all those early books are

1539
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:18,160
just i've read them multiple times so

1540
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:19,760
just real

1541
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:22,480
real top top rate uh top rated author in

1542
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,760
my book

1543
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:25,520
one of the things thomas told me because

1544
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:27,760
he said his daughter was kind of dinging

1545
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:30,000
him one time like oh you got an easy job

1546
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:32,319
all you have to do is write

1547
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:35,119
and his response was right he says it's

1548
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:37,920
like you have to do a 10-page essay

1549
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,400
every day and get an a on every one of

1550
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:42,400
them right

1551
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:43,200
yeah

1552
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:45,920
go ahead try that at home folks

1553
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,440
believe me as someone who's written what

1554
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:49,200
seven i'm going on seven books now i'll

1555
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:50,400
tell you i

1556
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:53,200
if i was a tenth the writer

1557
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:55,520
of tom clancy i would not be writing in

1558
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:57,599
the realm of uh investigations and

1559
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:00,319
research into the paranormal i would be

1560
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:03,200
whipping out sci-fi or just doing

1561
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:05,520
you know kind of a clancy ask or maybe

1562
01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:06,400
even

1563
01:01:10,230 --> 01:01:08,720
you know ludlum or you know you could go

1564
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:10,240
down the list of uh

1565
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:12,160
writers that i've loved and admired over

1566
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:13,520
the years but if i had that kind of

1567
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:15,200
talent i would not be

1568
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:17,040
stuck in the non-fiction realm by any

1569
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:18,079
stretch

1570
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:20,960
well he was stream of consciousness i i

1571
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:22,160
called

1572
01:01:27,990 --> 01:01:24,400
one day i think with debt of honor

1573
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:28,000
uh but what happened was uh i called

1574
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:28,960
just

1575
01:01:32,470 --> 01:01:31,280
and alexandra said you know hey what's

1576
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:32,480
going on

1577
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:35,520
and finally got to tom and he says well

1578
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:38,079
i'm 600 pages into the book we've just

1579
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:40,799
gone to war with japan and i have the

1580
01:01:50,549 --> 01:01:47,190
i love it yeah executive decision

1581
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:52,789
yeah well he i mean obviously he did but

1582
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:54,799
the point was writing a stream of

1583
01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:57,839
consciousness as opposed to a having a

1584
01:02:01,990 --> 01:01:59,520
complete outline of how you're going to

1585
01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:02,000
get from point a to point a to point b

1586
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:02,799
right

1587
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:03,839
yeah that's that's what makes

1588
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:06,480
non-fiction i guess in in many ways much

1589
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:07,760
uh

1590
01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:09,760
it's much more writer friendly because

1591
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:12,319
uh you're almost forced to

1592
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:14,000
to maintain a pretty rigid

1593
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:16,000
organizational structure and

1594
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:17,760
you're presenting facts and research

1595
01:02:23,030 --> 01:02:20,160
ideally um and when you do present

1596
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:23,040
opinions it's based on the facts so

1597
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:25,440
it's a little bit more cut and dried let

1598
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:27,200
me tell you here i used to write these

1599
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:29,440
computer instruction books

1600
01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:31,599
not like mac for dummies or something

1601
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:33,839
that franchise was taken already but

1602
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:35,200
another one of those books and they have

1603
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:37,200
a very regimented structure

1604
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:39,839
so you've got like a basic text and this

1605
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:42,000
is a hymn this is a tip this is a step

1606
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:44,400
by step and there are four or five

1607
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:46,799
elements that have to recur in each

1608
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:49,520
chapter so you're constrained by a very

1609
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:50,480
rigid

1610
01:02:55,109 --> 01:02:52,400
format like you're a machine you're a

1611
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:55,119
writing machine and i did that

1612
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:57,599
for probably 30 books

1613
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:59,200
and you make a decent living it's

1614
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:00,720
nothing spectacular a couple of the

1615
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:03,119
books earned out and i did really well

1616
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:04,160
but

1617
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:06,799
at the end of the day i woke up one day

1618
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:08,160
and i sat down

1619
01:03:11,589 --> 01:03:09,920
before the keyboard ready to start

1620
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:11,599
another assignment

1621
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:13,599
and my agent was working on it and i

1622
01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:16,079
said i can't do this anymore i cannot

1623
01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:17,920
become a machine

1624
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:20,000
a book writing machine it's not the same

1625
01:03:23,910 --> 01:03:22,319
thing as a person like nick redfern who

1626
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:23,920
writes a lot of books because each one

1627
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:25,920
is different each one has different

1628
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:27,839
kinds of structure it's not nearly as

1629
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:28,799
rigid

1630
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:30,400
but this is impossible whereas i

1631
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:32,319
understand what tom clancy was coming

1632
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:34,559
from because my son and i have written

1633
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:36,559
fiction so i understand that we can have

1634
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:39,520
an outline or even a very basic

1635
01:03:43,349 --> 01:03:40,799
structure

1636
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:43,359
and then we let the mind flow we kind of

1637
01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:45,280
live in that universe

1638
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:46,960
and what comes out is what makes the

1639
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:49,440
book for better or worse for better or

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worse colonel john alexander with gene

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colonel john alexander we were talking

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here about tom clancy

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and books but i wanted to get back to

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clancy here obviously he had ties and

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sources

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in the military i remember going down

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the house one day and checking out and

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saying oh

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the day before colin powell had been

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there

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wow well he even got in trouble uh when

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uh hunt for red october came out because

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01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:41,520
his fictitious caterpillar drive

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01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:44,080
actually turned out to be a classified

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secret that he just kind of stumbled on

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01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,640
it just creatively

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well no

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that was not stumbling um

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that was one of the things that got me

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01:09:59,430 --> 01:09:58,080
interested in tom to begin with

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01:10:01,590 --> 01:09:59,440
was that

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01:10:04,470 --> 01:10:01,600
i had read that and there were certain

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descriptions in there of places

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and i'm going like

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he's not guessing you know

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this is exactly you know

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01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:15,440
somebody has definitely been to the

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place that he's describing because he's

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talking about the floor and

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01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:21,440
that sort of thing and everything was

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just exactly right and you go that is

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that's not a guess

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01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:29,360
well isn't that how he got out of uh

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01:10:33,189 --> 01:10:31,840
some kind of hot water by saying well it

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was just you know i

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i just kind of came up with that and uh

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and then i think didn't they make him a

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01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:38,640
consultant to the to the navy or

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01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:40,560
something after that or he got some sort

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01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:41,360
of

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01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:44,640
he was tied in as i said at very very

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01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:46,960
high levels and a lot of people

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01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:49,440
whispering by the way one of his cute

1816
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:50,480
quotes

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01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:53,280
when we were talking about ufos and i

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01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:54,800
think we're at dinner one night and it

1819
01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:56,000
came up

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01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:57,679
and he says well

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the government doesn't have anything and

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01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:02,880
he said well how do you know he says

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01:11:11,669 --> 01:11:08,229
okay

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01:11:14,550 --> 01:11:11,679
that was frankly before we had kind of

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01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:14,560
turned him around and said hey maybe to

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01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:15,679
get him to

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01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:18,239
admit maybe there was something to it

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01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:20,480
no i wanted to bring that up there

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01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:21,840
because that is

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01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:23,920
kind of anticipating the question i was

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01:11:26,550 --> 01:11:25,280
going to ask

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01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:26,560
which is

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01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:30,159
you talked about it with him about ufos

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01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:31,920
and obviously they're not telling tom

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01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:35,520
clancy if they're not telling tom clancy

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01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:37,920
maybe they're not telling anyone or

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01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:40,960
are they classified so high

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01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:42,480
in the pecking order

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01:11:48,550 --> 01:11:45,520
that even a tom clancy couldn't mine his

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military sources to get that information

1841
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:49,920
well hey

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01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:52,560
you know remember he he was not

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01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:55,600
interested in the topic uh when we told

1844
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:57,679
you when we first started discussing it

1845
01:12:01,110 --> 01:12:00,000
he threatened to throw me out of the

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01:12:01,990 --> 01:12:01,120
room

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01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:02,000
but

1848
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:05,920
and that changed over time so is it that

1849
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:08,719
high i don't know i mean you're hearing

1850
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:11,840
some new information coming out now

1851
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:13,199
to me

1852
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:16,560
you know and it's not just tom but uh

1853
01:12:21,750 --> 01:12:19,760
certainly he was tied in uh sources i

1854
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:21,760
mean the kinds of information he was

1855
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:24,560
being fed is well you know they're after

1856
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:27,920
hillary now and petraeus for

1857
01:12:33,189 --> 01:12:30,080
putting out certain information and i

1858
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:33,199
think the kinds of things he had were

1859
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:35,120
certainly far more sensitive than that

1860
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:38,480
and seem to be getting it accurately

1861
01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:40,480
well and let's not forget his

1862
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:43,120
non-fiction books too uh

1863
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:45,120
which i do recommend for anybody with an

1864
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:46,560
interest in

1865
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:48,320
military tech and

1866
01:12:52,070 --> 01:12:50,159
very well-written

1867
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:52,080
very good sourcing

1868
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:53,920
in his non-fiction books where he looks

1869
01:13:05,830 --> 01:12:55,040
at

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01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:05,840
his novels

1871
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:07,920
he goes in depth in his non-fiction

1872
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:09,280
books which uh

1873
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:11,120
which don't get the notoriety of course

1874
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:13,760
that the the fiction books do but um

1875
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:15,600
very well done uh for anybody with an

1876
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:17,520
interest in in the uh

1877
01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:20,640
you know he did a series uh with

1878
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:23,199
different senior generals

1879
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:25,440
one called shadow warriors and i'm the

1880
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:28,640
one who introduced him to carl steiner

1881
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:31,840
who had been the commander-in-chief of

1882
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:34,320
special operations command

1883
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:36,800
he's also the guy who led the invasion

1884
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:39,760
of panama and that's the one who pulled

1885
01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:41,840
the gun on the

1886
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:44,560
italians when they were trying to

1887
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:47,360
get back uh the hijackers of the achille

1888
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:48,719
laurel

1889
01:13:52,470 --> 01:13:50,719
uh kind of legendary so

1890
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:52,480
i mean the people that that he wrote

1891
01:13:56,709 --> 01:13:55,199
with on that are just really

1892
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:56,719
top notch

1893
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,199
okay now let me ask you something here

1894
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:01,679
get back to our subject although tom

1895
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:03,840
clancy was certainly a fascinating which

1896
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:07,120
subject was that i have no idea but

1897
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:09,360
now let's get to this here

1898
01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:11,120
there are people who believe that the

1899
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:13,760
government is hiding secrets about ufos

1900
01:14:18,550 --> 01:14:16,480
but the most that we hear

1901
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:18,560
is about people sending freedom of

1902
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:20,800
information act requests

1903
01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:22,960
sometimes they're granted sometimes they

1904
01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:24,560
get the information and a lot of

1905
01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:27,040
material is redacted for security

1906
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:29,360
reasons we understand that but is there

1907
01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:31,199
any way

1908
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:33,280
that you've been able to determine what

1909
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:35,280
the government really knows do they know

1910
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:36,960
anything beyond the rest of us except

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01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:40,800
for a few details about possibly secret

1912
01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:43,280
aircraft having a sighting

1913
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:45,679
well i think the problem

1914
01:14:48,149 --> 01:14:46,719
is

1915
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:48,159
one that's not

1916
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:50,640
addressed there and that is

1917
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:58,709
as i point out it's it's a big uh

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01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:00,480
big place there's

1919
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:03,040
thousands or you know actually millions

1920
01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:04,800
of people

1921
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:08,080
um and that what you find or my

1922
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:11,600
experience is that there is a difference

1923
01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:14,080
between people who've had their own

1924
01:15:18,709 --> 01:15:16,480
experience and

1925
01:15:21,750 --> 01:15:18,719
institutional relationships

1926
01:15:25,030 --> 01:15:21,760
uh get asked a lot about the

1927
01:15:27,750 --> 01:15:25,040
remote viewing program and

1928
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:27,760
i'll use that as an example because a i

1929
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:30,159
don't think there is such a program

1930
01:15:35,350 --> 01:15:32,719
going on that does not mean that there

1931
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:35,360
aren't people who are interested

1932
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:36,480
um

1933
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:39,920
i was doing a tv interview that will be

1934
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:42,000
coming out very shortly

1935
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:44,320
and and talking about this just the past

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01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:47,280
sunday and you have these people

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01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:50,239
you know remember that let's take ufos

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where we have 7 to ten percent of the

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adult population believe they have seen

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a ufo or something pass for it

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that is true for people who are you know

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in the government as well as in the

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so those are so the point is they have

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had personal experience they have no

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doubt about the existence of such things

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to an institutional interest or

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this is jacques valley you're listening

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to the paracast

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i made chris even grumpier that way

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i'm never gonna live that one down am i

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he's gonna imitate the way hillary

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clinton barks

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yes

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i wanted to ask john before we get away

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from the writing

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01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:46,320
topic if he ever considered

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01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:48,719
going the jacques valet route and

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writing a fictional book

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and hiding

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some knowledge that maybe normally you

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wouldn't come out with in a non-fiction

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realm

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but as valet and tracy tormey did in

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fast walkers come out in a fictional

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setting have you ever considered that

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actually it leads to something

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a little bit different uh hey uh i have

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dabbled with fiction never actually

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published anything

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uh not so much to cover it up but just

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because you have a lot of latitude there

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but one of the things i want to mention

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we started on this trail before

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was that one of the things i found and

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if you dealt with this i was doing of

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course a special operations one and

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whatnot got into the story

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and damned if the uh characters didn't

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start talking to me i mean literally you

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know they come up and you know you'd go

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off and into an area that's a little

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different

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and be going down that trail and i had

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people

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swear to god come back and say hey you

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forgot me i'm back over here

2094
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and these are totally fictional folks

2095
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that sounds a little frightening

2096
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well actually a number of authors that i

2097
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know of has said that that the

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point is that these

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kind of literary tulpas

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literally well that's probably a good uh

2101
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:16,480
description of it

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yeah and then then you try to kill them

2103
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off and they won't go away

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hey i'm coming back as a ghost in your

2105
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i'm sure you i mean you have you're a

2106
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very good writer and i think you would

2107
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have uh have some fun doing that uh you

2108
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know just kind of doing a what if book

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and

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01:23:40,070 --> 01:23:37,920
know is based on you know

2111
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possibly insider information and what's

2112
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based on just pure imagination

2113
01:23:46,149 --> 01:23:44,800
vale did a very good job with it and the

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one thing that i

2115
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remember

2116
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coming away after reading the book is

2117
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that the craft that they were attempting

2118
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to back engineer turned out to be alive

2119
01:23:58,709 --> 01:23:56,960
and it was a biological uh there was a

2120
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biological component to it which i

2121
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always felt was a wonderful twist

2122
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fiction does give you a a lot of

2123
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latitude that you don't necessarily get

2124
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in other genres

2125
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well it gets people guessing a little

2126
01:24:13,990 --> 01:24:12,960
bit too especially someone with the

2127
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kind of

2128
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work history and interests that that uh

2129
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that you've had i mean they based the

2130
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characters very loosely i might add in

2131
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in hollywood movies

2132
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you get a little grumpy yourself when

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when people say oh weren't you the kevin

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spacey character and men who stare at

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goats and

2136
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:36,080
well actually it was more the um or the

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including the clooney character

2138
01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:39,280
yeah

2139
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:40,960
now in the book

2140
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there's actually a book that it was

2141
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:44,719
taken from there is no doubt

2142
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who we are

2143
01:24:52,149 --> 01:24:50,000
right because we i entered on page

2144
01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:52,159
41 i think it was and

2145
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:55,440
by name and i was able to identify

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01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:58,480
16 people that i knew

2147
01:25:01,990 --> 01:25:00,000
interestingly

2148
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,000
the ones that i talked to

2149
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:04,080
the vast majority said

2150
01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:06,480
we've never met this guy

2151
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no the the good the guy is john ronson i

2152
01:25:13,030 --> 01:25:10,840
believe the author of medicine

2153
01:25:14,470 --> 01:25:13,040
right well i love the opening scene of

2154
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:14,480
the movie where the

2155
01:25:19,350 --> 01:25:16,800
character that i immediately thought of

2156
01:25:20,870 --> 01:25:19,360
as as uh general stumblebind tries to

2157
01:25:23,110 --> 01:25:20,880
run through the wall

2158
01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:23,120
well that was bird there was no doubt

2159
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:24,800
about that and i think he actually did

2160
01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:27,360
try to do that didn't it at one point

2161
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:30,000
not that i'm aware of no

2162
01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:33,600
no no actually the story the rational

2163
01:25:38,830 --> 01:25:35,440
extrapolation

2164
01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:38,840
is that he is one of these people as uh

2165
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:41,840
hypersensitive to bee stings that's

2166
01:25:45,510 --> 01:25:44,080
obviously not a good thing in the

2167
01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:45,520
military

2168
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:47,280
and so

2169
01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:49,760
what he had done it was going to walter

2170
01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:52,960
reed and take he had to take shots to

2171
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:55,760
build up immunity because so he wouldn't

2172
01:26:01,590 --> 01:25:59,040
go into anaphylactic shock if uh stung

2173
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:01,600
accidentally so he said we got to take a

2174
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:04,880
shot so the godonkan thing was

2175
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:06,080
okay

2176
01:26:11,669 --> 01:26:07,520
i am mostly

2177
01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:11,679
made up of you know vacuum the needle is

2178
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:15,040
mostly vacuum or space and so what i'm

2179
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:16,960
going to do is to think about the inner

2180
01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:18,639
penetration

2181
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:20,960
rather than hitting the solid substance

2182
01:26:26,950 --> 01:26:23,440
it's you know passing in between so

2183
01:26:28,870 --> 01:26:26,960
there should be no pain okay

2184
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:28,880
mind the side matter

2185
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:30,080
which one

2186
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:30,960
mind

2187
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:34,800
beside matter

2188
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:35,679
right

2189
01:26:39,910 --> 01:26:37,520
so i'm not saying anything because i'm

2190
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:39,920
letting it sit there and lie there okay

2191
01:26:44,629 --> 01:26:41,280
well i

2192
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:44,639
i mean it was a bad analogy but i tried

2193
01:26:48,950 --> 01:26:47,360
one of the things i learned long ago is

2194
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:48,960
when somebody puts their foot in their

2195
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:55,990
see how it tastes

2196
01:27:00,229 --> 01:26:58,880
yeah yeah i got you know

2197
01:27:01,189 --> 01:27:00,239
hopefully i'm not wearing big smelly

2198
01:27:03,830 --> 01:27:01,199
boots

2199
01:27:06,310 --> 01:27:03,840
so if i'm seeing the movie and i saw it

2200
01:27:07,590 --> 01:27:06,320
when it first came out men who stare at

2201
01:27:09,430 --> 01:27:07,600
goats

2202
01:27:11,669 --> 01:27:09,440
aside from you being

2203
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:11,679
possibly one of the characters what do i

2204
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:13,199
take away from it

2205
01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:15,440
mostly bs

2206
01:27:19,270 --> 01:27:17,600
as i like to say the

2207
01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:19,280
they wrote

2208
01:27:24,790 --> 01:27:21,440
i usually do it with my hand so

2209
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:24,800
let's say you visually he had about six

2210
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:28,080
inches of truth and he wrote a yard and

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01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:30,000
then they made the movie

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01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:31,360
so

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01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:33,360
what's supposed to be a fictional

2214
01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:35,280
story sure

2215
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:37,280
well in

2216
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:41,280
the book it is non-fiction

2217
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:42,800
uh the

2218
01:27:47,110 --> 01:27:45,520
problem is that

2219
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:47,120
you know

2220
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:50,480
the basic premise goats did die

2221
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:53,520
uh however it had nothing to do with

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01:27:57,430 --> 01:27:55,280
staring at them

2223
01:27:59,430 --> 01:27:57,440
this was a product of something called

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dimac which is

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01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:03,040
you know the death touch in martial arts

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01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:06,560
and it also turns out that staring

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01:28:12,629 --> 01:28:10,639
was an interesting component

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01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:12,639
in that

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01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:16,480
what there was a school called survival

2230
01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:19,440
evasion resistance and escape or siri

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and it was to train people who

2232
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:24,719
were at risk for being captured

2233
01:28:28,870 --> 01:28:27,440
and as the army was setting it up they

2234
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:28,880
brought in

2235
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:32,080
a colonel nick rowe

2236
01:28:38,310 --> 01:28:35,760
and he had been in my area in vietnam

2237
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:38,320
and had been captured so you know who

2238
01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:41,360
better than somebody with five years of

2239
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:45,520
experience as a pow to run the program

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01:28:53,270 --> 01:28:48,239
and one of the things nick had done

2241
01:28:56,629 --> 01:28:53,280
is he has was practicing mental hearts

2242
01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:56,639
the idea of rambo that you see all the

2243
01:29:02,709 --> 01:28:58,719
time that says you know the

2244
01:29:05,430 --> 01:29:02,719
the pows are going to jump up on

2245
01:29:07,910 --> 01:29:05,440
guards and whatnot is just pure nonsense

2246
01:29:09,669 --> 01:29:07,920
they're physically degraded

2247
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:09,679
they're not getting a lot to eat you

2248
01:29:16,470 --> 01:29:12,320
usually have injuries and being beaten

2249
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:18,790
you're just not going to whip them but

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he found that he could

2251
01:29:26,390 --> 01:29:24,080
influence them using his mind what he

2252
01:29:27,910 --> 01:29:26,400
would do is concentrate and not to do

2253
01:29:30,070 --> 01:29:27,920
big things but

2254
01:29:32,709 --> 01:29:30,080
can i get them just to take a few extra

2255
01:29:34,390 --> 01:29:32,719
steps so i've got time to conceal

2256
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:34,400
certain actions and things of that

2257
01:29:39,270 --> 01:29:35,280
nature

2258
01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:39,280
so the premise of using steering really

2259
01:29:44,709 --> 01:29:42,719
had a very practical application

2260
01:29:46,629 --> 01:29:44,719
it's just that uh

2261
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:46,639
no goat died from it

2262
01:29:51,430 --> 01:29:49,679
as was depicted in the movie

2263
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:51,440
i could see some real good applications

2264
01:29:55,270 --> 01:29:53,760
at a high stakes poker game in vegas

2265
01:29:56,709 --> 01:29:55,280
it might be interesting to influence

2266
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:56,719
people to fold when you're when you're

2267
01:30:04,149 --> 01:30:02,229
i believe you will find folks who

2268
01:30:04,870 --> 01:30:04,159
believe that is true

2269
01:30:07,669 --> 01:30:04,880
and

2270
01:30:09,510 --> 01:30:07,679
attempt to do it before we even guess

2271
01:30:11,189 --> 01:30:09,520
what else could be true

2272
01:30:12,709 --> 01:30:11,199
let me tell you that we

2273
01:30:13,750 --> 01:30:12,719
have to do a short break and then we'll

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be back

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01:30:17,350 --> 01:30:14,880
with

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01:30:19,590 --> 01:30:17,360
colonel john alexander and by the way if

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you're interested in checking out that

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book he wrote

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it's called ufos myths conspiracies

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and realities

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and it features a forward from dr

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jacques village and a commentary from

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none other than

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01:30:37,110 --> 01:30:35,040
tom clancy

2285
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so you want to check it out

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with gene and chris you're in the bearer

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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hi i'm 54 years of age and at christmas

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time last year a resident i take care of

2356
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at work accidentally rolled over my

2357
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right foot with his motorized scooter i

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was back into a corner and he put it in

2359
01:33:44,870 --> 01:33:42,400
reverse and did it again the bones in my

2360
01:33:46,870 --> 01:33:44,880
foot weren't actually broken but damage

2361
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was done the remedy was to just let the

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foot heal on its own and this was

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expected to take many weeks as a

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caregiver i do a lot of walking and i

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was sort of okay when i was in motion

2366
01:33:58,629 --> 01:33:56,560
it's when i stopped to rest but i really

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01:34:00,790 --> 01:33:58,639
felt the pain the pain was there getting

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01:34:02,550 --> 01:34:00,800
out of bed in the morning too so i got

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01:34:04,390 --> 01:34:02,560
on the one world way a few weeks back

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01:34:07,110 --> 01:34:04,400
and i just had to write this testimony

2371
01:34:08,790 --> 01:34:07,120
no more pain nothing i can only

2372
01:34:10,470 --> 01:34:08,800
attribute this to the one world way

2373
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since i haven't introduced anything else

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into my life which product is a true god

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sense it gives me energy and did

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whatever magic this stuff does to heal

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my forefoot i will take one world way

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[Music]

2393
01:35:08,229 --> 01:35:06,239
this is jerome clark author of the ufo

2394
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:08,239
encyclopedia in other books you're

2395
01:35:21,270 --> 01:35:10,690
listening to the peercast

2396
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:22,790
oh we've done two-thirds of the show

2397
01:35:25,750 --> 01:35:23,920
already chris

2398
01:35:27,910 --> 01:35:25,760
i thought we just started

2399
01:35:29,510 --> 01:35:27,920
yeah well we're having having a great

2400
01:35:31,750 --> 01:35:29,520
time those are the shows i like the best

2401
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:31,760
the ones that uh just fly by because

2402
01:35:35,270 --> 01:35:33,840
we're just having fun it's always great

2403
01:35:37,430 --> 01:35:35,280
to have you on the show john you're one

2404
01:35:40,149 --> 01:35:37,440
of the more fascinating people

2405
01:35:41,910 --> 01:35:40,159
i've had the pleasure of meeting and uh

2406
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:41,920
we had we shared a very interesting

2407
01:35:46,070 --> 01:35:44,159
experience at the ufo congress with stan

2408
01:35:48,870 --> 01:35:46,080
romanek running in and being chased by

2409
01:35:50,470 --> 01:35:48,880
helicopters i'll never forget that

2410
01:35:53,350 --> 01:35:50,480
that was so funny

2411
01:35:55,750 --> 01:35:53,360
and uh i i i thought stan got it totally

2412
01:35:56,950 --> 01:35:55,760
wrong um i think they were watching your

2413
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:56,960
back john

2414
01:36:00,709 --> 01:35:57,840
they

2415
01:36:03,830 --> 01:36:00,719
were just kind of

2416
01:36:04,870 --> 01:36:03,840
keeping tabs on everybody there for you

2417
01:36:06,790 --> 01:36:04,880
of course he didn't know there was a

2418
01:36:12,709 --> 01:36:06,800
bell helicopter testing facility just

2419
01:36:16,390 --> 01:36:13,910
news

2420
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:16,400
actually the conference is coming up in

2421
01:36:19,110 --> 01:36:17,760
uh

2422
01:36:21,270 --> 01:36:19,120
the 19th

2423
01:36:23,030 --> 01:36:21,280
right and uh do we have any uh you're

2424
01:36:24,709 --> 01:36:23,040
looking forward to some particular

2425
01:36:25,990 --> 01:36:24,719
presentations or

2426
01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:26,000
well the

2427
01:36:30,229 --> 01:36:28,560
unique aspect this time is that the

2428
01:36:33,270 --> 01:36:30,239
parapsychological

2429
01:36:35,510 --> 01:36:33,280
association and the ssc society for

2430
01:36:37,270 --> 01:36:35,520
scientific exploration are meeting

2431
01:36:39,830 --> 01:36:37,280
concurrently

2432
01:36:42,310 --> 01:36:39,840
so uh and by the way the

2433
01:36:45,109 --> 01:36:42,320
single presentation so anybody going

2434
01:36:46,950 --> 01:36:45,119
will be able to see everything right so

2435
01:36:49,510 --> 01:36:46,960
that should be uh

2436
01:36:50,870 --> 01:36:49,520
be pretty pretty interesting

2437
01:36:53,510 --> 01:36:50,880
and where's the event being held this

2438
01:36:55,830 --> 01:36:53,520
year uh boulder

2439
01:36:58,070 --> 01:36:55,840
right next to the university of colorado

2440
01:37:00,390 --> 01:36:58,080
not at the university per se with

2441
01:37:01,510 --> 01:37:00,400
millennium

2442
01:37:03,350 --> 01:37:01,520
right

2443
01:37:05,350 --> 01:37:03,360
literally down the street

2444
01:37:08,470 --> 01:37:05,360
many of the same people are involved one

2445
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:08,480
of the reasons we use that venue

2446
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:11,040
and uh any any notable presentations

2447
01:37:13,750 --> 01:37:12,480
that you're particularly looking forward

2448
01:37:15,750 --> 01:37:13,760
to seeing or

2449
01:37:17,830 --> 01:37:15,760
oh there's quite a few

2450
01:37:19,350 --> 01:37:17,840
larry dossier's uh

2451
01:37:21,270 --> 01:37:19,360
going to be there

2452
01:37:24,870 --> 01:37:21,280
of course dean rayden

2453
01:37:26,310 --> 01:37:24,880
is talking ian rickram shikra

2454
01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:26,320
they're going to there's going to be one

2455
01:37:32,229 --> 01:37:28,880
on bigfoot the guy's actually getting

2456
01:37:34,950 --> 01:37:32,239
the dinsdale award

2457
01:37:37,830 --> 01:37:34,960
and has done a lot of uh

2458
01:37:40,070 --> 01:37:37,840
scientific work on sesquash

2459
01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:40,080
i'm not sure i agree with his conclusion

2460
01:37:44,790 --> 01:37:42,560
but it's still going to be uh quite

2461
01:37:46,470 --> 01:37:44,800
interesting no no who is who is that

2462
01:37:50,229 --> 01:37:46,480
presenter

2463
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:50,239
well thank you oh it's you

2464
01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:53,290
no no jeffrey jeffrey meldrum or uh

2465
01:37:57,430 --> 01:37:54,560
[Music]

2466
01:37:57,940 --> 01:37:57,440
this is not somebody i've met before we

2467
01:37:59,109 --> 01:37:57,950
had done

2468
01:38:01,830 --> 01:37:59,119
[Music]

2469
01:38:03,510 --> 01:38:01,840
a meeting at whitefish

2470
01:38:06,149 --> 01:38:03,520
a long time ago

2471
01:38:07,030 --> 01:38:06,159
and they had quite a few of them this is

2472
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:07,040
uh

2473
01:38:10,950 --> 01:38:08,960
jeff meldrum

2474
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:10,960
yeah jeffrey meldrum from university of

2475
01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:12,320
idaho i believe

2476
01:38:19,350 --> 01:38:13,199
yeah

2477
01:38:20,550 --> 01:38:19,360
i think uh primate feet doesn't he not

2478
01:38:21,350 --> 01:38:20,560
uh

2479
01:38:24,149 --> 01:38:21,360
yeah

2480
01:38:26,950 --> 01:38:24,159
his bottom line is that there's probably

2481
01:38:28,310 --> 01:38:26,960
something there but uh unidentified

2482
01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:28,320
grade a

2483
01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:30,960
um i'm not sure

2484
01:38:37,189 --> 01:38:33,520
since we're in one of the things that uh

2485
01:38:40,310 --> 01:38:37,199
we did happen uh within the past year i

2486
01:38:42,229 --> 01:38:40,320
was out on a bigfoot hunt

2487
01:38:45,669 --> 01:38:42,239
and we were in

2488
01:38:48,070 --> 01:38:45,679
oklahoma texas um louisiana

2489
01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:48,080
not many trees to bang out there though

2490
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:50,560
not what but you know they bang on trees

2491
01:38:55,910 --> 01:38:54,000
on the tv shows they they do the the

2492
01:38:58,870 --> 01:38:55,920
had some of that happen

2493
01:39:02,470 --> 01:38:58,880
but more interestingly we were camped on

2494
01:39:05,590 --> 01:39:02,480
a bayou just north of uh shreveport and

2495
01:39:09,910 --> 01:39:05,600
uh sleeping in tents and literally

2496
01:39:13,510 --> 01:39:09,920
we had two towns and we're probably

2497
01:39:15,910 --> 01:39:13,520
30 meters apart maybe a little less but

2498
01:39:19,510 --> 01:39:15,920
the the other town there's two

2499
01:39:21,189 --> 01:39:19,520
individuals in there and they are feet

2500
01:39:23,750 --> 01:39:21,199
from the swamp

2501
01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:23,760
at about two o'clock in the morning they

2502
01:39:29,350 --> 01:39:26,880
are awakened by something

2503
01:39:31,669 --> 01:39:29,360
roaring at them

2504
01:39:33,189 --> 01:39:31,679
immediately outside their tent so we're

2505
01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:33,199
talking

2506
01:39:40,229 --> 01:39:37,520
you know a couple of feet away literally

2507
01:39:42,629 --> 01:39:40,239
enough to get them up and out and yet

2508
01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:42,639
when we started looking for physical

2509
01:39:47,990 --> 01:39:45,840
evidence absolutely none

2510
01:39:50,149 --> 01:39:48,000
and in the area that a lot of spiders of

2511
01:39:51,830 --> 01:39:50,159
course and one of the things we found

2512
01:39:54,310 --> 01:39:51,840
was that the

2513
01:39:57,830 --> 01:39:54,320
spider webs were still pretty much

2514
01:40:01,030 --> 01:39:57,840
intact but can't afford uh

2515
01:40:02,629 --> 01:40:01,040
you know can't answer that interaction

2516
01:40:04,709 --> 01:40:02,639
there were

2517
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:04,719
a number of other things that happened

2518
01:40:10,390 --> 01:40:07,280
but you know that was

2519
01:40:11,990 --> 01:40:10,400
we had some in uh oklahoma where yeah

2520
01:40:14,950 --> 01:40:12,000
you did have the

2521
01:40:16,950 --> 01:40:14,960
knocking and whatnot it's interesting

2522
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:16,960
experience well you're you're sure

2523
01:40:20,950 --> 01:40:18,560
covering the gamut with uh your

2524
01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:20,960
activities i had no idea that uh you had

2525
01:40:26,229 --> 01:40:24,480
an interest in in uh in bigfoot to the

2526
01:40:28,229 --> 01:40:26,239
extent of actually going out and

2527
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:28,239
attempting to uh to go out in the field

2528
01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:31,280
and and and do your own sort of uh

2529
01:40:35,430 --> 01:40:33,280
up close and personal research

2530
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:35,440
that's kind of across the board my

2531
01:40:40,950 --> 01:40:38,880
bottom line is let's go do it yeah

2532
01:40:43,510 --> 01:40:40,960
interesting to talk about it read about

2533
01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:43,520
it and and all of that

2534
01:40:46,950 --> 01:40:44,560
um

2535
01:40:49,669 --> 01:40:46,960
i had mentioned at the onset that we are

2536
01:40:51,669 --> 01:40:49,679
just back from brazil

2537
01:40:53,669 --> 01:40:51,679
and we're down in rio

2538
01:40:55,910 --> 01:40:53,679
did not see a mosquito even though we

2539
01:40:58,070 --> 01:40:55,920
were in the area the heart of the zita

2540
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:58,080
virus country

2541
01:41:01,430 --> 01:41:00,159
but the point was that

2542
01:41:03,270 --> 01:41:01,440
we went to

2543
01:41:05,750 --> 01:41:03,280
ombando ceremony

2544
01:41:08,070 --> 01:41:05,760
reason for being down was had to do with

2545
01:41:09,430 --> 01:41:08,080
non-lethal and award ceremony and

2546
01:41:10,870 --> 01:41:09,440
whatnot

2547
01:41:11,910 --> 01:41:10,880
but um

2548
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:11,920
we

2549
01:41:17,510 --> 01:41:14,880
where ombanda is one of the spiritus

2550
01:41:19,510 --> 01:41:17,520
religions that uh you know came across

2551
01:41:22,629 --> 01:41:19,520
for the slaves

2552
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:22,639
anyway victoria went up and had

2553
01:41:28,950 --> 01:41:25,360
basically another mystical experience

2554
01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:28,960
and a consultation and swears that uh

2555
01:41:36,149 --> 01:41:33,119
had one of the umbunda goddesses

2556
01:41:39,189 --> 01:41:36,159
giving her messages

2557
01:41:40,870 --> 01:41:39,199
what was what was she told

2558
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:40,880
well that's personal

2559
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:41,920
okay

2560
01:41:46,790 --> 01:41:44,000
but the point was that you know very

2561
01:41:49,270 --> 01:41:46,800
real and very very dramatic

2562
01:41:52,470 --> 01:41:49,280
we did have one this would be in the

2563
01:41:55,030 --> 01:41:52,480
program that i mentioned earlier

2564
01:41:57,430 --> 01:41:55,040
a couple of years before we were done in

2565
01:42:00,470 --> 01:41:57,440
cortiba

2566
01:42:03,189 --> 01:42:00,480
which is in southern brazil and went to

2567
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:03,199
another ombandha ceremony

2568
01:42:07,270 --> 01:42:05,040
and i might mention

2569
01:42:09,350 --> 01:42:07,280
that different from south of daimy

2570
01:42:10,870 --> 01:42:09,360
ategurani and some of these others we've

2571
01:42:14,390 --> 01:42:10,880
been at which

2572
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:14,400
use some sorts of chemicals usually dmt

2573
01:42:20,629 --> 01:42:16,800
is the psychoactive substance

2574
01:42:23,510 --> 01:42:20,639
umbanda does not have any

2575
01:42:27,669 --> 01:42:23,520
drinking imbibing at all there's lots of

2576
01:42:28,550 --> 01:42:27,679
drumming and it's very very intense

2577
01:42:30,070 --> 01:42:28,560
but

2578
01:42:33,030 --> 01:42:30,080
down there

2579
01:42:35,030 --> 01:42:33,040
she actually got possessed

2580
01:42:38,790 --> 01:42:35,040
and we were at a

2581
01:42:41,830 --> 01:42:38,800
let's say a ceremony about 300 people

2582
01:42:42,950 --> 01:42:41,840
only about 10 foreigners

2583
01:42:45,669 --> 01:42:42,960
including

2584
01:42:47,270 --> 01:42:45,679
maybe four gringos but

2585
01:42:48,550 --> 01:42:47,280
the foreigners are from

2586
01:42:50,790 --> 01:42:48,560
all over

2587
01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:50,800
and she went out to

2588
01:42:55,030 --> 01:42:52,719
get a quote of healing

2589
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:55,040
and said all of a sudden something

2590
01:42:59,830 --> 01:42:56,880
jumped into her

2591
01:43:03,189 --> 01:42:59,840
and for the next 20 minutes she's out on

2592
01:43:05,350 --> 01:43:03,199
the floor whirling around

2593
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:05,360
and this is a group that is used to

2594
01:43:09,350 --> 01:43:07,280
seeing possession

2595
01:43:11,189 --> 01:43:09,360
they're not used to seeing gringos

2596
01:43:13,990 --> 01:43:11,199
possessed like that

2597
01:43:17,109 --> 01:43:14,000
wow so it's kind of reminiscent of uh

2598
01:43:18,310 --> 01:43:17,119
like the arisha dancing uh in santeria

2599
01:43:21,910 --> 01:43:18,320
or

2600
01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:21,920
some aspects of voodon and condom lay

2601
01:43:28,229 --> 01:43:25,280
yeah what kind of blade tends to run

2602
01:43:29,750 --> 01:43:28,239
towards the dark side a bit more than

2603
01:43:33,430 --> 01:43:29,760
banda

2604
01:43:36,310 --> 01:43:33,440
and um we uh we had to get people from

2605
01:43:39,270 --> 01:43:36,320
brazil who would take us uh there were

2606
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:39,280
quite a few who were very nervous about

2607
01:43:46,310 --> 01:43:42,480
it some had heard about it but uh

2608
01:43:48,629 --> 01:43:46,320
didn't know if they actually wanted to

2609
01:43:49,910 --> 01:43:48,639
have first-hand experience unfortunately

2610
01:43:51,510 --> 01:43:49,920
we had a

2611
01:43:52,870 --> 01:43:51,520
colonel who's a good

2612
01:43:56,470 --> 01:43:52,880
good friend of mine

2613
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:56,480
who often acts as a an escort but his

2614
01:44:01,669 --> 01:43:57,760
son

2615
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:01,679
took us around to these things and uh

2616
01:44:06,629 --> 01:44:03,360
very very intense

2617
01:44:09,510 --> 01:44:06,639
yeah well brazil is a very intense

2618
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:09,520
country where i think um and most people

2619
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:11,440
who have even looked even peripherally

2620
01:44:14,629 --> 01:44:12,400
into

2621
01:44:17,270 --> 01:44:14,639
some of the uh amazing

2622
01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:17,280
reports and waves of activity uh that

2623
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:18,800
have occurred down there of course the

2624
01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:20,400
clara sightings

2625
01:44:23,430 --> 01:44:21,280
um

2626
01:44:24,149 --> 01:44:23,440
come to mind at the mouth of the amazon

2627
01:44:28,070 --> 01:44:24,159
there

2628
01:44:29,189 --> 01:44:28,080
of

2629
01:44:30,550 --> 01:44:29,199
very

2630
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:30,560
you know

2631
01:44:34,870 --> 01:44:33,040
for lack of a better word bizarre

2632
01:44:37,350 --> 01:44:34,880
things that go on down in brazil that

2633
01:44:38,629 --> 01:44:37,360
don't really make it out of a local area

2634
01:44:42,790 --> 01:44:38,639
or region

2635
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:42,800
in terms of notoriety even even

2636
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:44,320
into the cities

2637
01:44:49,430 --> 01:44:46,560
that out in the remote areas of the

2638
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:49,440
country that there's some very very

2639
01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:51,360
uh almost unbelievable

2640
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:54,000
for lack of evidence i would frame it a

2641
01:44:58,950 --> 01:44:56,960
little differently and this has to get

2642
01:45:01,189 --> 01:44:58,960
to i think a very important issue and

2643
01:45:04,310 --> 01:45:01,199
that is world view

2644
01:45:05,830 --> 01:45:04,320
we come from a very materialistic world

2645
01:45:08,629 --> 01:45:05,840
view right

2646
01:45:10,550 --> 01:45:08,639
i deal i've been going down to brazil

2647
01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:10,560
for

2648
01:45:14,790 --> 01:45:12,639
15 years now and

2649
01:45:16,950 --> 01:45:14,800
generally interacting with the

2650
01:45:20,070 --> 01:45:16,960
intelligentsia these are

2651
01:45:22,550 --> 01:45:20,080
senior officers and uh

2652
01:45:24,550 --> 01:45:22,560
ministers and things of that nature

2653
01:45:26,709 --> 01:45:24,560
let's pick up on that because we've got

2654
01:45:28,790 --> 01:45:26,719
some other things to check out with john

2655
01:45:33,710 --> 01:45:28,800
alexander and jean and chris you're in

2656
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:40,390
[Music]

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2714
01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:00,070
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2715
01:48:04,950 --> 01:48:03,760
standard of paranormal radio

2716
01:48:08,300 --> 01:48:04,960
and now

2717
01:48:11,750 --> 01:48:08,310
here's jane steinberg

2718
01:48:16,310 --> 01:48:13,990
with john alexander and jean and chris

2719
01:48:19,750 --> 01:48:16,320
in the final leg of the journey

2720
01:48:21,990 --> 01:48:19,760
you were in the middle of giving us a

2721
01:48:25,030 --> 01:48:22,000
long answer colonel alexander can you

2722
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:25,040
continue on that uh i do happen to think

2723
01:48:29,510 --> 01:48:27,840
that this is kind of a important issue

2724
01:48:31,109 --> 01:48:29,520
and this has to do with the difference

2725
01:48:34,550 --> 01:48:31,119
in world view

2726
01:48:36,709 --> 01:48:34,560
and again i deal in brazil with very

2727
01:48:37,590 --> 01:48:36,719
well educated people

2728
01:48:40,550 --> 01:48:37,600
um

2729
01:48:43,109 --> 01:48:40,560
and most of with western education

2730
01:48:44,470 --> 01:48:43,119
but the point is that they are totally

2731
01:48:47,109 --> 01:48:44,480
accepting

2732
01:48:49,590 --> 01:48:47,119
many of them are i can't paint the brush

2733
01:48:52,950 --> 01:48:49,600
with you know everybody but many of them

2734
01:48:54,070 --> 01:48:52,960
are totally accepting of the spiritist

2735
01:48:56,870 --> 01:48:54,080
world

2736
01:48:58,470 --> 01:48:56,880
and they accommodate

2737
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:58,480
areas that

2738
01:49:03,030 --> 01:49:00,400
most westerners would have

2739
01:49:07,750 --> 01:49:03,040
you know real problems with

2740
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:07,760
um and i saw the point here is that

2741
01:49:13,430 --> 01:49:10,320
in my view it's that our world view

2742
01:49:15,830 --> 01:49:13,440
which is again totally materialistic

2743
01:49:19,270 --> 01:49:15,840
is one that's inhibiting

2744
01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:19,280
exploration of these areas

2745
01:49:23,830 --> 01:49:22,000
one of the things i say is that kind of

2746
01:49:25,750 --> 01:49:23,840
see the mission

2747
01:49:27,750 --> 01:49:25,760
as to

2748
01:49:29,270 --> 01:49:27,760
being involved and trying to make it

2749
01:49:33,350 --> 01:49:29,280
permissible

2750
01:49:36,390 --> 01:49:33,360
for senior scientists to be involved in

2751
01:49:38,790 --> 01:49:36,400
research into these areas but to do so

2752
01:49:40,229 --> 01:49:38,800
without risking their reputation or

2753
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:40,239
livelihood

2754
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:42,480
problem is that you know there aren't

2755
01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:44,480
many people who are interested but they

2756
01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:46,960
also recognize this as a tar baby and

2757
01:49:52,149 --> 01:49:48,880
said who you know

2758
01:49:55,030 --> 01:49:52,159
they keep me informed but i i don't want

2759
01:49:57,189 --> 01:49:55,040
my name out there as an association i

2760
01:49:59,510 --> 01:49:57,199
also point out that these phenomena

2761
01:50:02,709 --> 01:49:59,520
including things like

2762
01:50:06,149 --> 01:50:02,719
you know ufos as we talked about earlier

2763
01:50:08,229 --> 01:50:06,159
this stuff is i believe as complex as

2764
01:50:10,470 --> 01:50:08,239
cancer or aids

2765
01:50:13,189 --> 01:50:10,480
and that we definitely need a

2766
01:50:15,109 --> 01:50:13,199
concentrated effort uh in the area to

2767
01:50:16,310 --> 01:50:15,119
understand it and you're not going to

2768
01:50:18,149 --> 01:50:16,320
get there

2769
01:50:19,510 --> 01:50:18,159
you know keeping the best and brightest

2770
01:50:21,590 --> 01:50:19,520
away from it

2771
01:50:23,189 --> 01:50:21,600
yeah and and this is something that you

2772
01:50:24,470 --> 01:50:23,199
have been talking about for quite some

2773
01:50:26,629 --> 01:50:24,480
time and

2774
01:50:29,109 --> 01:50:26,639
almost uh you know lone voice in the

2775
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:29,119
woods i mean i think we're seeing some

2776
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:30,320
movement

2777
01:50:34,629 --> 01:50:32,400
away from that i think

2778
01:50:37,270 --> 01:50:34,639
it's it's infinitesimal it's very small

2779
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:37,280
but i i do see a slight shift

2780
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:39,280
towards more open-mindedness a little

2781
01:50:43,430 --> 01:50:41,760
less reticence uh but

2782
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:43,440
you know when you're talking the amazing

2783
01:50:47,990 --> 01:50:45,840
uh process that it you know to just to

2784
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:48,000
get research grant money to get tenure

2785
01:50:51,830 --> 01:50:50,800
to you know to take those steps in a

2786
01:50:54,390 --> 01:50:51,840
career

2787
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:54,400
you're very very cautious you don't want

2788
01:50:58,149 --> 01:50:56,400
anything to uh

2789
01:51:00,229 --> 01:50:58,159
perhaps tarnish

2790
01:51:03,109 --> 01:51:00,239
the process or your reputation and so

2791
01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:03,119
it's it's again a catch-22

2792
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:04,239
how do you

2793
01:51:08,229 --> 01:51:06,480
figure something out and do good science

2794
01:51:10,629 --> 01:51:08,239
and research if you're too afraid to

2795
01:51:12,790 --> 01:51:10,639
even get involved in the first place and

2796
01:51:14,149 --> 01:51:12,800
i i do see that as a major obstacle and

2797
01:51:15,910 --> 01:51:14,159
i applaud you for

2798
01:51:17,430 --> 01:51:15,920
for for your courage of coming out and

2799
01:51:20,790 --> 01:51:17,440
really attempting

2800
01:51:22,470 --> 01:51:20,800
in in many different uh avenues in many

2801
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:22,480
different ways to

2802
01:51:25,270 --> 01:51:23,280
to

2803
01:51:28,390 --> 01:51:25,280
sort of reverse that uh

2804
01:51:30,550 --> 01:51:28,400
that stereotypical process that uh

2805
01:51:33,430 --> 01:51:30,560
that we're seeing constantly unfolding

2806
01:51:35,750 --> 01:51:33,440
in academia especially and uh

2807
01:51:39,430 --> 01:51:35,760
you know i think it's uh the issue for

2808
01:51:42,950 --> 01:51:39,440
research scientists is that they have to

2809
01:51:45,990 --> 01:51:42,960
usually attract funding of some sort

2810
01:51:48,870 --> 01:51:46,000
and they do not want anything associated

2811
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:48,880
with their reputation that might

2812
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:51,440
inhibit that right there was an example

2813
01:51:57,510 --> 01:51:54,000
given again this program we were filming

2814
01:52:02,070 --> 01:51:57,520
on sunday and it was a mutual friend of

2815
01:52:06,470 --> 01:52:02,080
ours who was a nobel laureate in physics

2816
01:52:09,510 --> 01:52:06,480
who was specifically disinvited from a

2817
01:52:13,350 --> 01:52:09,520
physics conference because he had spoken

2818
01:52:14,790 --> 01:52:13,360
positively about psy phenomena oh jeez

2819
01:52:16,950 --> 01:52:14,800
yeah i mean

2820
01:52:19,109 --> 01:52:16,960
it's a good old boy's

2821
01:52:20,870 --> 01:52:19,119
network with a pecking order and very

2822
01:52:24,310 --> 01:52:20,880
rigid

2823
01:52:27,109 --> 01:52:24,320
protocols on what you can profess even a

2824
01:52:27,990 --> 01:52:27,119
passing interest in

2825
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:28,000
it's

2826
01:52:33,430 --> 01:52:30,719
i think the system in many ways

2827
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:33,440
is broken if we're going you know to

2828
01:52:37,669 --> 01:52:35,040
move forward

2829
01:52:39,910 --> 01:52:37,679
expand our thinking here

2830
01:52:42,709 --> 01:52:39,920
on this planet

2831
01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:42,719
let alone the ufo subject or possible

2832
01:52:47,990 --> 01:52:45,040
off-planet subjects uh

2833
01:52:51,270 --> 01:52:48,000
i mean this mode of thinking and this um

2834
01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:51,280
just rigidity uh needs to change and we

2835
01:52:54,629 --> 01:52:53,440
need more people like you john going out

2836
01:52:57,270 --> 01:52:54,639
there and

2837
01:52:59,669 --> 01:52:57,280
and and telling people hey it's okay

2838
01:53:01,189 --> 01:52:59,679
to you know profess an interest in these

2839
01:53:03,189 --> 01:53:01,199
subjects you shouldn't be tarred and

2840
01:53:04,709 --> 01:53:03,199
feathered for it and to have a nobel

2841
01:53:06,149 --> 01:53:04,719
lauder physicist

2842
01:53:07,750 --> 01:53:06,159
disinvited

2843
01:53:09,109 --> 01:53:07,760
to a conference just because he

2844
01:53:11,830 --> 01:53:09,119
professes

2845
01:53:13,189 --> 01:53:11,840
an interest in inside phenomenon to me

2846
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:13,199
is

2847
01:53:20,070 --> 01:53:17,520
wrong i think

2848
01:53:21,910 --> 01:53:20,080
with the static

2849
01:53:24,070 --> 01:53:21,920
rigid structure that science and

2850
01:53:26,070 --> 01:53:24,080
academia finds itself in

2851
01:53:28,229 --> 01:53:26,080
and again we're talking here

2852
01:53:31,270 --> 01:53:28,239
specifically about

2853
01:53:32,149 --> 01:53:31,280
you know what was in the western world

2854
01:53:34,310 --> 01:53:32,159
view

2855
01:53:36,709 --> 01:53:34,320
right one of the reasons and i keep

2856
01:53:40,229 --> 01:53:36,719
going back to brazil but that these

2857
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:40,239
people are accepting of alternative

2858
01:53:44,390 --> 01:53:42,000
systems and a

2859
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:44,400
spiritual base to it

2860
01:53:49,589 --> 01:53:46,960
is again the personal experience now

2861
01:53:52,629 --> 01:53:49,599
that's certainly true to some degree in

2862
01:53:55,430 --> 01:53:52,639
the u.s it's just that the materialistic

2863
01:53:58,550 --> 01:53:55,440
view has been able to dominate and

2864
01:54:02,229 --> 01:53:58,560
subordinate all others

2865
01:54:04,870 --> 01:54:02,239
to the exclusion of you know

2866
01:54:06,470 --> 01:54:04,880
fact and things you know personal

2867
01:54:08,709 --> 01:54:06,480
observations

2868
01:54:11,189 --> 01:54:08,719
i don't see that ending anytime soon but

2869
01:54:12,550 --> 01:54:11,199
i again i do have a sense that there is

2870
01:54:15,589 --> 01:54:12,560
movement

2871
01:54:16,950 --> 01:54:15,599
um i think as as younger folks come up

2872
01:54:18,390 --> 01:54:16,960
these subjects are becoming more

2873
01:54:19,270 --> 01:54:18,400
mainstream

2874
01:54:22,149 --> 01:54:19,280
um

2875
01:54:25,270 --> 01:54:22,159
it's it's it's got to create some sort

2876
01:54:28,229 --> 01:54:25,280
of slack in in the uh in the rigidity at

2877
01:54:31,510 --> 01:54:28,239
some point one would hope but uh it may

2878
01:54:32,550 --> 01:54:31,520
not be in the three of our lifetime

2879
01:54:35,109 --> 01:54:32,560
but you know

2880
01:54:37,270 --> 01:54:35,119
like famously said you know the science

2881
01:54:39,270 --> 01:54:37,280
advances uh

2882
01:54:43,189 --> 01:54:39,280
one funeral at a time

2883
01:54:45,430 --> 01:54:43,199
yeah yeah yeah that's unfortunately

2884
01:54:46,709 --> 01:54:45,440
uh very true and

2885
01:54:49,189 --> 01:54:46,719
you know i think a lot of it is the

2886
01:54:51,350 --> 01:54:49,199
mindset um you know we've discussed this

2887
01:54:52,310 --> 01:54:51,360
on a number of occasions on the show

2888
01:54:55,910 --> 01:54:52,320
that

2889
01:54:57,990 --> 01:54:55,920
science is becoming so ivy tower and

2890
01:54:59,830 --> 01:54:58,000
and it's it's almost

2891
01:55:01,510 --> 01:54:59,840
creating an aura of religious belief

2892
01:55:02,310 --> 01:55:01,520
around itself

2893
01:55:04,709 --> 01:55:02,320
that

2894
01:55:07,430 --> 01:55:04,719
once you get into doctrine uh

2895
01:55:12,149 --> 01:55:07,440
doctrinaire uh

2896
01:55:14,070 --> 01:55:12,159
you know systems and uh protocols and uh

2897
01:55:15,350 --> 01:55:14,080
you know rigidity uh

2898
01:55:17,030 --> 01:55:15,360
it's very difficult to break through

2899
01:55:18,470 --> 01:55:17,040
that and i think one of the reasons why

2900
01:55:20,870 --> 01:55:18,480
you're seeing

2901
01:55:22,470 --> 01:55:20,880
an upwelling of interest in

2902
01:55:24,149 --> 01:55:22,480
subjects that are taboo in the

2903
01:55:26,229 --> 01:55:24,159
scientific community is because science

2904
01:55:28,229 --> 01:55:26,239
has has removed itself so far from the

2905
01:55:30,550 --> 01:55:28,239
average person it has become so

2906
01:55:31,270 --> 01:55:30,560
stove-piped and specialized that people

2907
01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:31,280
just

2908
01:55:34,470 --> 01:55:32,560
they don't have

2909
01:55:36,550 --> 01:55:34,480
a snowball's chance in hell

2910
01:55:40,070 --> 01:55:36,560
of really understanding

2911
01:55:42,070 --> 01:55:40,080
um you know advanced science and and i

2912
01:55:44,149 --> 01:55:42,080
think you're seeing a backlash

2913
01:55:45,910 --> 01:55:44,159
against that which is creating more

2914
01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:45,920
separation between the scientific and

2915
01:55:50,310 --> 01:55:48,239
the academic establishments and the

2916
01:55:53,109 --> 01:55:50,320
average person we need more bridge

2917
01:55:55,189 --> 01:55:53,119
builders we need more people like michio

2918
01:55:56,310 --> 01:55:55,199
kaku or dean raiden or yourself i mean

2919
01:55:57,750 --> 01:55:56,320
there's people out there that are

2920
01:56:00,229 --> 01:55:57,760
actually attempting to

2921
01:56:02,390 --> 01:56:00,239
you know to bridge the gap but it's it

2922
01:56:05,030 --> 01:56:02,400
tremendous peril to their careers

2923
01:56:07,030 --> 01:56:05,040
well i think there's another issue too

2924
01:56:09,669 --> 01:56:07,040
that has emerged in the last couple

2925
01:56:11,629 --> 01:56:09,679
decades and that's the politicalization

2926
01:56:13,750 --> 01:56:11,639
of science yeah

2927
01:56:16,870 --> 01:56:13,760
pre-determination of what the correct

2928
01:56:18,550 --> 01:56:16,880
answer is going to be and you know

2929
01:56:19,430 --> 01:56:18,560
searching for that

2930
01:56:21,990 --> 01:56:19,440
um

2931
01:56:23,990 --> 01:56:22,000
another book that i just finished is

2932
01:56:26,070 --> 01:56:24,000
quite interesting this does the

2933
01:56:27,430 --> 01:56:26,080
political arena as well that's called

2934
01:56:32,470 --> 01:56:27,440
lies inc

2935
01:56:34,870 --> 01:56:32,480
and it points out there that

2936
01:56:36,870 --> 01:56:34,880
many of these situations use what they

2937
01:56:41,669 --> 01:56:36,880
call a tobacco model

2938
01:56:44,070 --> 01:56:41,679
said 19 i think it was 1912 1914 tobacco

2939
01:56:46,149 --> 01:56:44,080
industry knew that

2940
01:56:48,310 --> 01:56:46,159
they were causing cancer

2941
01:56:51,350 --> 01:56:48,320
it wasn't you know until almost a

2942
01:56:54,709 --> 01:56:51,360
century later before it got mainstream

2943
01:56:57,270 --> 01:56:54,719
but their approach was not to deny

2944
01:56:59,910 --> 01:56:57,280
that tobacco called cause cancer is just

2945
01:57:03,030 --> 01:56:59,920
to raise questions you'll hear that now

2946
01:57:04,629 --> 01:57:03,040
on climate change for instance you know

2947
01:57:08,709 --> 01:57:04,639
only 98

2948
01:57:11,189 --> 01:57:08,719
of all climatologists agree well

2949
01:57:13,189 --> 01:57:11,199
okay there's two percent and so today

2950
01:57:15,189 --> 01:57:13,199
what you were talking about is real here

2951
01:57:17,430 --> 01:57:15,199
to the average person it just gets

2952
01:57:19,830 --> 01:57:17,440
overwhelming yeah but we also have a

2953
01:57:21,510 --> 01:57:19,840
situation here where one of the major

2954
01:57:23,589 --> 01:57:21,520
political parties

2955
01:57:24,709 --> 01:57:23,599
in the united states does not believe in

2956
01:57:26,149 --> 01:57:24,719
science

2957
01:57:28,790 --> 01:57:26,159
some of them still believe that the

2958
01:57:31,270 --> 01:57:28,800
earth is 6 000 years old and when you

2959
01:57:33,910 --> 01:57:31,280
point out that 98 of climate scientists

2960
01:57:36,229 --> 01:57:33,920
will they may think it's a plot by china

2961
01:57:39,270 --> 01:57:36,239
or somebody said that

2962
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we've got colonel john alexander

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okay so

3068
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do you believe in climate change

3069
02:02:21,430 --> 02:02:19,599
contributed to by humans absolutely

3070
02:02:23,030 --> 02:02:21,440
well then it's interesting because

3071
02:02:25,270 --> 02:02:23,040
you're at odds with

3072
02:02:27,109 --> 02:02:25,280
this book that stanton friedman wrote

3073
02:02:29,030 --> 02:02:27,119
with kathleen martin

3074
02:02:30,870 --> 02:02:29,040
science was wrong

3075
02:02:34,470 --> 02:02:30,880
stan's a great guy and a great

3076
02:02:36,229 --> 02:02:34,480
researcher and we agree to disagree on a

3077
02:02:37,270 --> 02:02:36,239
number of areas

3078
02:02:39,589 --> 02:02:37,280
no

3079
02:02:42,550 --> 02:02:39,599
kind of hard to look at the time lapse

3080
02:02:45,030 --> 02:02:42,560
photography of the north pole uh the old

3081
02:02:48,629 --> 02:02:45,040
ice as it's

3082
02:02:50,149 --> 02:02:48,639
slowly is is disappearing basically uh

3083
02:02:51,589 --> 02:02:50,159
or to find all those polar bears

3084
02:02:53,189 --> 02:02:51,599
swimming around looking for an iceberg

3085
02:02:55,189 --> 02:02:53,199
to climb onto

3086
02:02:57,589 --> 02:02:55,199
one of the things i do is

3087
02:03:00,709 --> 02:02:57,599
when in doubt this is true and ufos are

3088
02:03:03,830 --> 02:03:00,719
all i go to firsthand data and i think

3089
02:03:05,910 --> 02:03:03,840
the thing that really got my attention

3090
02:03:09,109 --> 02:03:05,920
it was on mount everest

3091
02:03:11,510 --> 02:03:09,119
at the base camp at 18 000 foot level

3092
02:03:14,870 --> 02:03:11,520
the first thing we were on the

3093
02:03:16,070 --> 02:03:14,880
the north side so technically china

3094
02:03:19,030 --> 02:03:16,080
outside

3095
02:03:21,910 --> 02:03:19,040
and i was amazed at the amount of water

3096
02:03:24,070 --> 02:03:21,920
that there was on the tibetan plateau

3097
02:03:25,910 --> 02:03:24,080
but the problem is that's a one-time

3098
02:03:27,270 --> 02:03:25,920
thing because we're talking about melt

3099
02:03:29,270 --> 02:03:27,280
that was coming off and one of the

3100
02:03:30,790 --> 02:03:29,280
things i had noticed

3101
02:03:35,270 --> 02:03:30,800
was that the

3102
02:03:36,470 --> 02:03:35,280
level uh snow line was at 22 to 24 000

3103
02:03:39,350 --> 02:03:36,480
feet

3104
02:03:42,470 --> 02:03:39,360
yeah we saw snow a little bit down at

3105
02:03:43,830 --> 02:03:42,480
you know maybe as low at times as 15 but

3106
02:03:46,470 --> 02:03:43,840
not

3107
02:03:49,669 --> 02:03:46,480
you didn't see solid snow until you got

3108
02:03:52,229 --> 02:03:49,679
way way up and that's new

3109
02:03:55,669 --> 02:03:52,239
i'm not sure i have not read stan's book

3110
02:03:57,910 --> 02:03:55,679
in fairness but there's a lot of others

3111
02:04:00,470 --> 02:03:57,920
people who you know tend to agree with

3112
02:04:02,470 --> 02:04:00,480
that but i think that

3113
02:04:04,390 --> 02:04:02,480
my opinion the evidence is pretty much

3114
02:04:06,310 --> 02:04:04,400
overwhelming

3115
02:04:11,270 --> 02:04:06,320
and that we are the cause when you look

3116
02:04:13,109 --> 02:04:11,280
at the speed of change and particularly

3117
02:04:15,510 --> 02:04:13,119
what we were looking at what chris just

3118
02:04:19,109 --> 02:04:15,520
mentioned about the areas in the north

3119
02:04:22,149 --> 02:04:19,119
pole that true it's it hasn't totally

3120
02:04:25,109 --> 02:04:22,159
disintegrated yapped or

3121
02:04:28,070 --> 02:04:25,119
thawed uh free in summer but you do have

3122
02:04:29,430 --> 02:04:28,080
sort of a northwest passage available uh

3123
02:04:32,149 --> 02:04:29,440
on occasion

3124
02:04:34,390 --> 02:04:32,159
but it's the amount and all you take all

3125
02:04:38,550 --> 02:04:34,400
of the projections of where this is

3126
02:04:40,629 --> 02:04:38,560
going and you find that it's the actual

3127
02:04:42,470 --> 02:04:40,639
melt is going faster

3128
02:04:45,910 --> 02:04:42,480
than even the most

3129
02:04:47,510 --> 02:04:45,920
rigid uh perception or projections

3130
02:04:49,990 --> 02:04:47,520
now i read an article the other day

3131
02:04:52,950 --> 02:04:50,000
about the great barrier reef

3132
02:04:54,629 --> 02:04:52,960
being substantially damaged as a result

3133
02:04:56,470 --> 02:04:54,639
but you see this is part of the problem

3134
02:04:58,790 --> 02:04:56,480
too with science nowadays

3135
02:05:01,669 --> 02:04:58,800
obviously a lot of scientists have to

3136
02:05:03,109 --> 02:05:01,679
depend on government largesse

3137
02:05:05,189 --> 02:05:03,119
to do their work

3138
02:05:06,390 --> 02:05:05,199
but we have of course certain

3139
02:05:07,830 --> 02:05:06,400
politicians

3140
02:05:11,109 --> 02:05:07,840
who want to cut the budgets for

3141
02:05:13,430 --> 02:05:11,119
everything except for the tax cuts to

3142
02:05:14,870 --> 02:05:13,440
be put into their pockets so they won't

3143
02:05:17,109 --> 02:05:14,880
fund anything they don't believe in

3144
02:05:18,790 --> 02:05:17,119
science they don't believe in roads and

3145
02:05:20,470 --> 02:05:18,800
bridges either i gather maybe they just

3146
02:05:22,070 --> 02:05:20,480
want to use their helicopters but

3147
02:05:25,189 --> 02:05:22,080
whatever it is

3148
02:05:27,030 --> 02:05:25,199
if there is a hostility to science

3149
02:05:28,470 --> 02:05:27,040
how does a young scientist who wants to

3150
02:05:30,870 --> 02:05:28,480
make a difference

3151
02:05:33,430 --> 02:05:30,880
what did they do

3152
02:05:35,750 --> 02:05:33,440
with great difficulty yeah i was

3153
02:05:37,189 --> 02:05:35,760
actually diving on the great barrier

3154
02:05:38,550 --> 02:05:37,199
reef in

3155
02:05:41,350 --> 02:05:38,560
december

3156
02:05:43,030 --> 02:05:41,360
and you can certainly see it the areas

3157
02:05:45,830 --> 02:05:43,040
that there's

3158
02:05:49,189 --> 02:05:45,840
some areas that have been protected

3159
02:05:52,149 --> 02:05:49,199
by the unesco but those are actually

3160
02:05:54,790 --> 02:05:52,159
fairly small now you do hear debates

3161
02:05:56,790 --> 02:05:54,800
even down there we had oceanographers

3162
02:05:59,030 --> 02:05:56,800
are saying well it's

3163
02:06:00,790 --> 02:05:59,040
it's not dying off in its entirety the

3164
02:06:03,830 --> 02:06:00,800
other thing to remember is a great

3165
02:06:06,470 --> 02:06:03,840
barrier reef has that name for a reason

3166
02:06:07,830 --> 02:06:06,480
we literally sailed past it for three

3167
02:06:11,350 --> 02:06:07,840
days

3168
02:06:13,910 --> 02:06:11,360
so you're talking a huge area but you

3169
02:06:16,709 --> 02:06:13,920
are seeing quite a bit of it uh you know

3170
02:06:18,470 --> 02:06:16,719
bleached out dying off yeah

3171
02:06:20,390 --> 02:06:18,480
which is sad because it is considered

3172
02:06:22,149 --> 02:06:20,400
the largest living or super organism on

3173
02:06:23,589 --> 02:06:22,159
the planet and

3174
02:06:25,589 --> 02:06:23,599
you know what we're doing to the pacific

3175
02:06:27,990 --> 02:06:25,599
ocean i i you know i wish we had time to

3176
02:06:30,229 --> 02:06:28,000
get into a whole conversation about

3177
02:06:31,430 --> 02:06:30,239
fukushima you know the lack of media

3178
02:06:33,750 --> 02:06:31,440
coverage

3179
02:06:35,189 --> 02:06:33,760
of that absolute environmental what

3180
02:06:37,510 --> 02:06:35,199
probably the worst environmental

3181
02:06:39,270 --> 02:06:37,520
catastrophe caused by humans uh

3182
02:06:40,790 --> 02:06:39,280
besides possibly

3183
02:06:42,550 --> 02:06:40,800
i mean you could go in and say global

3184
02:06:45,750 --> 02:06:42,560
warming could be um

3185
02:06:47,109 --> 02:06:45,760
about as bad but we have effectively

3186
02:06:48,950 --> 02:06:47,119
you know written the death sentence for

3187
02:06:49,990 --> 02:06:48,960
the pacific ocean if something's not

3188
02:06:52,470 --> 02:06:50,000
done

3189
02:06:54,310 --> 02:06:52,480
with uh the fukushima problem with uh

3190
02:06:56,310 --> 02:06:54,320
pouring millions of gallons of

3191
02:06:58,950 --> 02:06:56,320
irradiated highly eradicated water into

3192
02:07:01,270 --> 02:06:58,960
the pacific ocean not to mention the uh

3193
02:07:03,109 --> 02:07:01,280
central pacific plastic

3194
02:07:05,830 --> 02:07:03,119
gyre that

3195
02:07:08,390 --> 02:07:05,840
is just sitting there that i think is a

3196
02:07:10,709 --> 02:07:08,400
bigger issue frankly so you don't think

3197
02:07:14,229 --> 02:07:10,719
that the fukushima issue do you still

3198
02:07:15,030 --> 02:07:14,239
eat sushi i frankly don't care for bait

3199
02:07:18,870 --> 02:07:15,040
but

3200
02:07:20,470 --> 02:07:18,880
you know that's a personal choice

3201
02:07:23,990 --> 02:07:20,480
you think raw fish should be used as

3202
02:07:28,870 --> 02:07:26,310
well every time i have it i love it it's

3203
02:07:30,790 --> 02:07:28,880
one of my favorite cuisines so i just i

3204
02:07:32,550 --> 02:07:30,800
bless the food and say please let there

3205
02:07:35,030 --> 02:07:32,560
not be a hot particle

3206
02:07:36,629 --> 02:07:35,040
in this uh fish that's top of the food

3207
02:07:38,870 --> 02:07:36,639
chain

3208
02:07:41,189 --> 02:07:38,880
or near the top i should say

3209
02:07:45,350 --> 02:07:41,199
they without radiation is a day without

3210
02:07:51,030 --> 02:07:47,750
well we we do have a number of questions

3211
02:07:53,430 --> 02:07:51,040
from one of our listeners uh srl

3212
02:07:55,990 --> 02:07:53,440
has been a faithful paracast listener

3213
02:07:57,669 --> 02:07:56,000
for uh going on six years he's almost up

3214
02:08:00,470 --> 02:07:57,679
to a thousand questions

3215
02:08:02,310 --> 02:08:00,480
or messages on our forum and again if

3216
02:08:04,870 --> 02:08:02,320
you're a listener to the paracast you

3217
02:08:06,950 --> 02:08:04,880
can sign up at our forum and go to the

3218
02:08:08,310 --> 02:08:06,960
question bank at

3219
02:08:10,149 --> 02:08:08,320
dot com forum.theparacast.com you can

3220
02:08:12,470 --> 02:08:10,159
ask questions of our wonderful esteemed

3221
02:08:15,510 --> 02:08:12,480
guests like today's john alexander

3222
02:08:17,350 --> 02:08:15,520
and srl considers himself a facilitator

3223
02:08:19,669 --> 02:08:17,360
of peace and tranquility

3224
02:08:22,629 --> 02:08:19,679
and he's 45 percent jaded

3225
02:08:26,149 --> 02:08:22,639
40 percent in disenchanted and 15

3226
02:08:29,030 --> 02:08:27,430
some of our listeners really do have

3227
02:08:30,950 --> 02:08:29,040
senses of humor

3228
02:08:33,669 --> 02:08:30,960
well he's got a bunch of questions here

3229
02:08:35,750 --> 02:08:33,679
in a number of them of course uh as

3230
02:08:38,629 --> 02:08:35,760
you would think are

3231
02:08:40,229 --> 02:08:38,639
about the skinwalker ranch the so-called

3232
02:08:41,750 --> 02:08:40,239
skinwalker ranch which i've never liked

3233
02:08:44,069 --> 02:08:41,760
that name by the way

3234
02:08:44,870 --> 02:08:44,079
that came after the fact you know that

3235
02:08:45,589 --> 02:08:44,880
was

3236
02:08:48,149 --> 02:08:45,599
yeah

3237
02:08:50,390 --> 02:08:48,159
that was something that outsiders added

3238
02:08:52,950 --> 02:08:50,400
not um

3239
02:08:54,709 --> 02:08:52,960
and i don't think it's very accurate but

3240
02:08:56,069 --> 02:08:54,719
the one question that's uh interesting

3241
02:08:57,910 --> 02:08:56,079
here uh

3242
02:08:58,709 --> 02:08:57,920
that i want to start with

3243
02:09:00,870 --> 02:08:58,719
is

3244
02:09:02,870 --> 02:09:00,880
you know what's your opinion of why

3245
02:09:05,669 --> 02:09:02,880
robert bigelow would request that george

3246
02:09:07,189 --> 02:09:05,679
knapp not share publicly

3247
02:09:09,350 --> 02:09:07,199
this particular

3248
02:09:12,149 --> 02:09:09,360
video of an orb navigating around a

3249
02:09:14,069 --> 02:09:12,159
doorway at the former sherman residence

3250
02:09:15,430 --> 02:09:14,079
and you know he also points out that

3251
02:09:16,870 --> 02:09:15,440
jacques valley in the past has stated

3252
02:09:19,109 --> 02:09:16,880
that bigelow has not concealed

3253
02:09:20,629 --> 02:09:19,119
additional earth shattering data

3254
02:09:23,030 --> 02:09:20,639
besides what's already been released

3255
02:09:25,270 --> 02:09:23,040
into the public domain through

3256
02:09:26,870 --> 02:09:25,280
obviously the reports that uh

3257
02:09:27,910 --> 02:09:26,880
and very good reports i might add that

3258
02:09:29,669 --> 02:09:27,920
nibs

3259
02:09:31,270 --> 02:09:29,679
published and of course the nap and

3260
02:09:33,270 --> 02:09:31,280
keller her book

3261
02:09:34,790 --> 02:09:33,280
do you know about this video

3262
02:09:36,870 --> 02:09:34,800
is this something that you're aware of i

3263
02:09:39,990 --> 02:09:36,880
don't care what the question is

3264
02:09:41,830 --> 02:09:40,000
i think the short answer is no but

3265
02:09:45,030 --> 02:09:41,840
what are we talking about

3266
02:09:47,189 --> 02:09:45,040
well he's wondering that you know i mean

3267
02:09:48,709 --> 02:09:47,199
first of all is there still science

3268
02:09:49,750 --> 02:09:48,719
going on up there is is one of the

3269
02:09:52,470 --> 02:09:49,760
questions

3270
02:09:55,510 --> 02:09:52,480
uh i think it's my knowledge no

3271
02:09:57,430 --> 02:09:55,520
but i'm totally out of that loop yeah

3272
02:09:59,669 --> 02:09:57,440
well the assumption the knee jerk

3273
02:10:00,790 --> 02:09:59,679
assumption out there is after almost 20

3274
02:10:02,790 --> 02:10:00,800
years

3275
02:10:04,709 --> 02:10:02,800
um up there that uh

3276
02:10:06,950 --> 02:10:04,719
in in those first seven or eight years

3277
02:10:08,390 --> 02:10:06,960
we're fairly intense with with personnel

3278
02:10:11,830 --> 02:10:08,400
on the ground equipment that sort of

3279
02:10:14,709 --> 02:10:11,840
thing that that some sort of uh data

3280
02:10:17,750 --> 02:10:14,719
that may be of a titillating nature i

3281
02:10:19,990 --> 02:10:17,760
might add had been collected but

3282
02:10:22,709 --> 02:10:20,000
because it it couldn't be replicated it

3283
02:10:25,669 --> 02:10:22,719
was not uh released um

3284
02:10:26,830 --> 02:10:25,679
folks we break now and then we have the

3285
02:10:30,390 --> 02:10:26,840
fans

3286
02:10:32,470 --> 02:10:30,400
answer okay more to come with john b

3287
02:10:38,629 --> 02:10:32,480
alexander and gene and chris you're in

3288
02:10:38,639 --> 02:10:43,270
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and you are listening to the paracast

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colonel alexander what's your answer to

3398
02:15:21,030 --> 02:15:18,079
our listeners question there's a couple

3399
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of reasons why interests dropped off and

3400
02:15:25,910 --> 02:15:23,840
one of them was lack of activity that

3401
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really changed and this gets more to

3402
02:15:30,229 --> 02:15:28,000
something we discussed earlier and that

3403
02:15:31,350 --> 02:15:30,239
was you know the trickster effect and

3404
02:15:33,510 --> 02:15:31,360
whatnot

3405
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that we just had

3406
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you know just not enough going on that

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again for a while

3408
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things were happening with their degree

3409
02:15:46,310 --> 02:15:43,920
of regularity and then that that changed

3410
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over time so i think that's certainly a

3411
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piece of it

3412
02:15:53,350 --> 02:15:50,480
uh another and something that's i think

3413
02:15:55,750 --> 02:15:53,360
far more important is that you know

3414
02:15:57,830 --> 02:15:55,760
created bigelow aerospace

3415
02:15:59,430 --> 02:15:57,840
you know in the news in the last couple

3416
02:16:01,589 --> 02:15:59,440
of days

3417
02:16:05,030 --> 02:16:01,599
uh has been that the

3418
02:16:07,669 --> 02:16:05,040
astronaut they just launched a uh an

3419
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inflatable system that was uh up to the

3420
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iss

3421
02:16:13,910 --> 02:16:12,159
and the news was that somebody had

3422
02:16:16,550 --> 02:16:13,920
actually entered

3423
02:16:18,550 --> 02:16:16,560
the compartment that they set up right

3424
02:16:21,189 --> 02:16:18,560
it's been inflated uh uh

3425
02:16:24,069 --> 02:16:21,199
successfully i might add yes yeah it

3426
02:16:26,629 --> 02:16:24,079
played successfully the the most recent

3427
02:16:29,830 --> 02:16:26,639
news when somebody actually entered

3428
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that uh container uh they did say it was

3429
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very cold in there i think he said the

3430
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internal temperature was uh

3431
02:16:38,709 --> 02:16:36,240
44 degrees

3432
02:16:39,830 --> 02:16:38,719
i guess he'll have to work out how to do

3433
02:16:41,589 --> 02:16:39,840
that

3434
02:16:44,389 --> 02:16:41,599
but certainly

3435
02:16:47,990 --> 02:16:44,399
you know his attention got very

3436
02:16:50,870 --> 02:16:48,000
centrally focused on that and with that

3437
02:16:54,629 --> 02:16:50,880
included allocation of resources which

3438
02:16:56,549 --> 02:16:54,639
were definitely uh finite so

3439
02:16:59,190 --> 02:16:56,559
like i say i guess the combination of

3440
02:17:02,309 --> 02:16:59,200
all the things going on is kind of not

3441
02:17:04,790 --> 02:17:02,319
surprising that we've gone so bob has

3442
02:17:07,910 --> 02:17:04,800
always been you know relatively

3443
02:17:10,230 --> 02:17:07,920
secretive i guess his approach is his

3444
02:17:13,270 --> 02:17:10,240
money he can do what he wants with it

3445
02:17:15,990 --> 02:17:13,280
and that's probably true yeah

3446
02:17:17,030 --> 02:17:16,000
i i don't see it as a nefarious thing

3447
02:17:17,750 --> 02:17:17,040
though

3448
02:17:19,190 --> 02:17:17,760
yeah

3449
02:17:20,150 --> 02:17:19,200
well you know again

3450
02:17:22,150 --> 02:17:20,160
i think you brought up a very

3451
02:17:23,910 --> 02:17:22,160
interesting point it's a private effort

3452
02:17:25,990 --> 02:17:23,920
by a private individual

3453
02:17:28,309 --> 02:17:26,000
and it's totally up to him how much or

3454
02:17:30,070 --> 02:17:28,319
how little is going to be made public uh

3455
02:17:31,669 --> 02:17:30,080
the fact that he uh

3456
02:17:33,270 --> 02:17:31,679
you know i think was

3457
02:17:35,349 --> 02:17:33,280
fairly uh

3458
02:17:38,469 --> 02:17:35,359
i really don't know his thinking about

3459
02:17:39,429 --> 02:17:38,479
the the keller her the nap book but i'm

3460
02:17:41,830 --> 02:17:39,439
sure

3461
02:17:43,750 --> 02:17:41,840
he didn't foresee

3462
02:17:45,589 --> 02:17:43,760
that the book instead of putting the

3463
02:17:47,830 --> 02:17:45,599
whole thing kind of to rest and giving

3464
02:17:49,429 --> 02:17:47,840
people something to chew on

3465
02:17:51,270 --> 02:17:49,439
basically what it ended up doing is

3466
02:17:54,389 --> 02:17:51,280
fanning the flames of attention i think

3467
02:17:56,709 --> 02:17:54,399
and all through the early 2000s we saw

3468
02:17:58,150 --> 02:17:56,719
an incredible amount of attention being

3469
02:18:00,070 --> 02:17:58,160
placed up there with people just

3470
02:18:01,509 --> 02:18:00,080
arriving in droves

3471
02:18:03,270 --> 02:18:01,519
have you seen this book

3472
02:18:06,950 --> 02:18:03,280
some people watch for them that i just

3473
02:18:08,950 --> 02:18:06,960
heard from george knapp is uh 60 minutes

3474
02:18:11,830 --> 02:18:08,960
has done a piece

3475
02:18:13,110 --> 02:18:11,840
on bigelow and we're just not sure when

3476
02:18:15,270 --> 02:18:13,120
they were going to air it so they had

3477
02:18:18,950 --> 02:18:15,280
hoped to don't run in may

3478
02:18:20,709 --> 02:18:18,960
but they were waiting for the musk

3479
02:18:22,709 --> 02:18:20,719
launched till the

3480
02:18:24,070 --> 02:18:22,719
thing actually got up there but if you

3481
02:18:26,549 --> 02:18:24,080
want something that's going to generate

3482
02:18:28,389 --> 02:18:26,559
interest i think 60 minutes will do far

3483
02:18:29,349 --> 02:18:28,399
more than any uh

3484
02:18:31,349 --> 02:18:29,359
book

3485
02:18:34,389 --> 02:18:31,359
yeah any dogmen smoking cigarettes

3486
02:18:39,110 --> 02:18:37,349
i love that story you know there's uh

3487
02:18:41,589 --> 02:18:39,120
some pretty interesting books that have

3488
02:18:45,270 --> 02:18:41,599
come out here uh in the last few years

3489
02:18:46,469 --> 02:18:45,280
including one by a an alleged uh

3490
02:18:47,990 --> 02:18:46,479
security

3491
02:18:50,469 --> 02:18:48,000
guard up there who says that you know

3492
02:18:52,790 --> 02:18:50,479
they had some experiences and

3493
02:18:56,230 --> 02:18:52,800
of course ryan skinner's uh

3494
02:18:58,870 --> 02:18:56,240
succession of books about his particular

3495
02:19:01,110 --> 02:18:58,880
monitoring of the ranch on occasion you

3496
02:19:03,509 --> 02:19:01,120
know what would happen if uh let's say

3497
02:19:05,750 --> 02:19:03,519
uh we had a huge wave of activity just

3498
02:19:08,790 --> 02:19:05,760
spring up there do you think the big

3499
02:19:11,270 --> 02:19:08,800
that mr bigelow would would go ahead and

3500
02:19:12,870 --> 02:19:11,280
attempt to marshal some uh resources to

3501
02:19:15,349 --> 02:19:12,880
get some scientists back up there let's

3502
02:19:17,190 --> 02:19:15,359
say if if stuff really started hitting

3503
02:19:18,230 --> 02:19:17,200
the fan there do you do you think it's

3504
02:19:21,349 --> 02:19:18,240
nice

3505
02:19:24,309 --> 02:19:21,359
i guess you'd have to ask him that

3506
02:19:27,030 --> 02:19:24,319
don't know and remember this uh the

3507
02:19:28,709 --> 02:19:27,040
stuff that's going on with nasa we had

3508
02:19:30,150 --> 02:19:28,719
watched some of that now one of the

3509
02:19:32,309 --> 02:19:30,160
things that i did

3510
02:19:35,669 --> 02:19:32,319
i don't know if i mentioned the book but

3511
02:19:37,990 --> 02:19:35,679
as you know i knew bertrand who had won

3512
02:19:39,190 --> 02:19:38,000
the x prize putting mike melville into

3513
02:19:41,509 --> 02:19:39,200
space

3514
02:19:43,270 --> 02:19:41,519
great honor i was actually there on the

3515
02:19:45,110 --> 02:19:43,280
ground the day that

3516
02:19:49,910 --> 02:19:45,120
that happened

3517
02:19:52,790 --> 02:19:49,920
again with uh bigelow working in this

3518
02:19:56,230 --> 02:19:52,800
frankly moving at light speed

3519
02:19:57,110 --> 02:19:56,240
uh the point with bert was that he had

3520
02:20:00,550 --> 02:19:57,120
done

3521
02:20:02,150 --> 02:20:00,560
for an estimated 25 million it created a

3522
02:20:04,389 --> 02:20:02,160
new rocket new

3523
02:20:05,510 --> 02:20:04,399
launch vehicle the uh

3524
02:20:08,870 --> 02:20:05,520
white knight

3525
02:20:11,670 --> 02:20:08,880
and all the accoutrements that with that

3526
02:20:13,910 --> 02:20:11,680
my point in all this is that he and

3527
02:20:17,270 --> 02:20:13,920
bigelow are doing the same thing and

3528
02:20:19,750 --> 02:20:17,280
that is attacking the business model

3529
02:20:22,070 --> 02:20:19,760
the the point with that diatribe on

3530
02:20:24,950 --> 02:20:22,080
burke was that with all the things he

3531
02:20:27,190 --> 02:20:24,960
had done that quite effectively and what

3532
02:20:30,550 --> 02:20:27,200
i like about

3533
02:20:32,790 --> 02:20:30,560
him is he tells you what he's done

3534
02:20:34,230 --> 02:20:32,800
everybody who's expecting view graph and

3535
02:20:36,389 --> 02:20:34,240
engineering telling you what they're

3536
02:20:39,190 --> 02:20:36,399
going to do you know he tells you what

3537
02:20:41,429 --> 02:20:39,200
he's done he said did that for 25

3538
02:20:43,510 --> 02:20:41,439
million and the

3539
02:20:46,309 --> 02:20:43,520
nasa couldn't have done the paperwork

3540
02:20:49,270 --> 02:20:46,319
for 25 million

3541
02:20:51,349 --> 02:20:49,280
with bigelow i actually had access to

3542
02:20:53,110 --> 02:20:51,359
some of his numbers and was doing some

3543
02:20:56,150 --> 02:20:53,120
guessing and i talked to him about it

3544
02:20:58,790 --> 02:20:56,160
this was a couple years back and i said

3545
02:21:01,750 --> 02:20:58,800
my guess is that

3546
02:21:06,230 --> 02:21:01,760
what i was doing was basing the cubic

3547
02:21:08,070 --> 02:21:06,240
space available up there compared to iss

3548
02:21:11,830 --> 02:21:08,080
and um

3549
02:21:13,349 --> 02:21:11,840
i said my guess is that you have a 30 to

3550
02:21:15,030 --> 02:21:13,359
1

3551
02:21:18,309 --> 02:21:15,040
cost advantage

3552
02:21:19,990 --> 02:21:18,319
and the response was that would be

3553
02:21:21,510 --> 02:21:20,000
conservative

3554
02:21:23,270 --> 02:21:21,520
it just goes to show you that when it

3555
02:21:25,110 --> 02:21:23,280
comes to

3556
02:21:26,710 --> 02:21:25,120
government funding

3557
02:21:27,990 --> 02:21:26,720
versus uh

3558
02:21:30,790 --> 02:21:28,000
you know the

3559
02:21:33,030 --> 02:21:30,800
inspiration of of private private

3560
02:21:34,950 --> 02:21:33,040
business uh things get done not only do

3561
02:21:36,710 --> 02:21:34,960
they get done more efficiently and

3562
02:21:38,469 --> 02:21:36,720
faster

3563
02:21:41,110 --> 02:21:38,479
but they tend to uh

3564
02:21:44,550 --> 02:21:41,120
you know because of that commercial

3565
02:21:47,670 --> 02:21:44,560
uh marketplace um always hovering in the

3566
02:21:49,110 --> 02:21:47,680
background it tends to be more viable in

3567
02:21:51,590 --> 02:21:49,120
i think in a

3568
02:21:52,550 --> 02:21:51,600
more timely manner well there are i

3569
02:21:54,230 --> 02:21:52,560
think

3570
02:21:55,990 --> 02:21:54,240
there are functions the government would

3571
02:21:58,309 --> 02:21:56,000
routinely do

3572
02:22:00,630 --> 02:21:58,319
that don't work well in private industry

3573
02:22:02,309 --> 02:22:00,640
because the profit motive can affect it

3574
02:22:04,950 --> 02:22:02,319
that's why

3575
02:22:07,429 --> 02:22:04,960
well private jails is one

3576
02:22:08,469 --> 02:22:07,439
also possibly health care

3577
02:22:10,550 --> 02:22:08,479
although

3578
02:22:11,990 --> 02:22:10,560
they're limited in the amount of profits

3579
02:22:13,590 --> 02:22:12,000
by the current

3580
02:22:15,990 --> 02:22:13,600
single payer

3581
02:22:17,670 --> 02:22:16,000
health care perhaps because

3582
02:22:19,750 --> 02:22:17,680
there are inefficiencies in the fact

3583
02:22:23,429 --> 02:22:19,760
that 20 percent of your health care

3584
02:22:24,710 --> 02:22:23,439
dollar or 25 percent will go to

3585
02:22:26,710 --> 02:22:24,720
the health care

3586
02:22:29,349 --> 02:22:26,720
insurance companies profits you're about

3587
02:22:31,590 --> 02:22:29,359
to say john yeah

3588
02:22:32,950 --> 02:22:31,600
no i was going to say i am for a single

3589
02:22:35,510 --> 02:22:32,960
payer

3590
02:22:37,910 --> 02:22:35,520
and uh

3591
02:22:39,910 --> 02:22:37,920
yeah there the problem is that this

3592
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stuff is being run by the insurance

3593
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companies and for the insurance

3594
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companies

3595
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this is what people forget about the

3596
02:22:49,670 --> 02:22:47,359
health care law in the u.s which is it

3597
02:22:50,950 --> 02:22:49,680
was designed by the republican heritage

3598
02:22:54,550 --> 02:22:50,960
foundation

3599
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in 1989 that exact plan with the mandate

3600
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for you to buy insurance was then picked

3601
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up by

3602
02:23:02,230 --> 02:22:59,920
mitt romney in massachusetts before

3603
02:23:04,389 --> 02:23:02,240
being adapted by the same people who

3604
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developed the massachusetts plan for

3605
02:23:09,349 --> 02:23:06,720
obama but as soon as he did it it had to

3606
02:23:12,630 --> 02:23:09,359
be wrong even though it was as i said

3607
02:23:15,670 --> 02:23:12,640
just a federal version of a state plan

3608
02:23:16,469 --> 02:23:15,680
but it is a give back a giveaway

3609
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to

3610
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private industry the private

3611
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insurance companies

3612
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now we don't always get a chance to tell

3613
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you about future episodes but now we can

3614
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so next week on the power cast we'll

3615
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have a breakaway civilizations

3616
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roundtable

3617
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our guest will be very prolific author

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joseph farrell and we'll also hear from

3619
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walter bosley who will be a member of

3620
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the panel that's next week's episode of

3621
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the power cast

3622
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on breakaway civilizations and the

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following week we'll be talking to

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robert damon schneck

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and other strange but true tales

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to be two weeks from now

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[Music]

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hi it's grant cameron from presidential

3742
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ufo.com you're listening to the paracast

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so i don't know if you want to go any

3744
02:29:15,830 --> 02:29:12,399
further into that john before we get to

3745
02:29:18,630 --> 02:29:15,840
more questions on the power cast

3746
02:29:21,510 --> 02:29:18,640
no i i do think health care

3747
02:29:24,389 --> 02:29:21,520
is a an issue that needs to be looked at

3748
02:29:27,030 --> 02:29:24,399
very you know as we are almost last in

3749
02:29:29,510 --> 02:29:27,040
the technologically developed countries

3750
02:29:31,270 --> 02:29:29,520
we pay more and yet

3751
02:29:34,389 --> 02:29:31,280
what's delivered is

3752
02:29:36,710 --> 02:29:34,399
far less than what you see in other

3753
02:29:39,110 --> 02:29:36,720
technical development countries uh you

3754
02:29:40,469 --> 02:29:39,120
know are we we're now at a position

3755
02:29:43,750 --> 02:29:40,479
where we're starting to see certain

3756
02:29:46,389 --> 02:29:43,760
demographics with a declining life

3757
02:29:48,070 --> 02:29:46,399
expectancy we've got areas of the

3758
02:29:51,429 --> 02:29:48,080
country where

3759
02:29:52,389 --> 02:29:51,439
infant mortality is worse than parts of

3760
02:29:55,510 --> 02:29:52,399
uh

3761
02:29:57,990 --> 02:29:55,520
darkest africa you know if we go on and

3762
02:30:00,309 --> 02:29:58,000
you can do a whole program on on that

3763
02:30:03,030 --> 02:30:00,319
but we've created a

3764
02:30:04,870 --> 02:30:03,040
illness profit industry as stephen

3765
02:30:06,550 --> 02:30:04,880
schwartz likes to say

3766
02:30:08,630 --> 02:30:06,560
let's not forget the

3767
02:30:10,870 --> 02:30:08,640
you know the whole malpractice issue too

3768
02:30:11,590 --> 02:30:10,880
i think the amount of testing that goes

3769
02:30:13,830 --> 02:30:11,600
on

3770
02:30:14,710 --> 02:30:13,840
which is basically to cover the doctors

3771
02:30:18,230 --> 02:30:14,720
uh

3772
02:30:21,110 --> 02:30:18,240
the ass for lack of a better term the

3773
02:30:23,750 --> 02:30:21,120
redundancies and um and just endless

3774
02:30:25,590 --> 02:30:23,760
tests uh just to make sure that

3775
02:30:27,110 --> 02:30:25,600
you know there's no malpractice issues

3776
02:30:29,590 --> 02:30:27,120
of uh

3777
02:30:30,950 --> 02:30:29,600
and doctors or you know

3778
02:30:33,030 --> 02:30:30,960
are not being

3779
02:30:35,830 --> 02:30:33,040
let's put it this way the problem though

3780
02:30:39,270 --> 02:30:35,840
is there's absolutely no price control

3781
02:30:42,150 --> 02:30:39,280
as we've ever had an actual bill from

3782
02:30:45,670 --> 02:30:42,160
hospital one of my favorite ones nobody

3783
02:30:47,510 --> 02:30:45,680
was in the hospital and a vitamin a pill

3784
02:30:51,830 --> 02:30:47,520
that they had given i think at the exact

3785
02:30:53,429 --> 02:30:51,840
cost but it costs it out at 28 000 times

3786
02:30:56,550 --> 02:30:53,439
which you would go just going to the

3787
02:30:58,550 --> 02:30:56,560
store and buying the pill outright it's

3788
02:31:00,630 --> 02:30:58,560
just outrageous

3789
02:31:02,870 --> 02:31:00,640
well i think it verges on criminal

3790
02:31:05,510 --> 02:31:02,880
myself uh sixty dollars for a single

3791
02:31:08,150 --> 02:31:05,520
aspirin at an emergency uh

3792
02:31:10,230 --> 02:31:08,160
uh facility uh it's just

3793
02:31:12,150 --> 02:31:10,240
you know in what we're seeing is people

3794
02:31:14,469 --> 02:31:12,160
not being able to afford uh their

3795
02:31:16,710 --> 02:31:14,479
medication they have to pick between

3796
02:31:19,349 --> 02:31:16,720
between uh feeding themselves and their

3797
02:31:21,190 --> 02:31:19,359
families and in medicine

3798
02:31:24,230 --> 02:31:21,200
i mean it's ridiculous when you go in

3799
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you have i quit smoking about 16 17

3800
02:31:28,070 --> 02:31:25,680
months ago and

3801
02:31:31,670 --> 02:31:28,080
you know i've i'm dealing with with some

3802
02:31:33,750 --> 02:31:31,680
small and minor copd issues but just an

3803
02:31:35,270 --> 02:31:33,760
emergency inhaler which you used to be

3804
02:31:37,030 --> 02:31:35,280
able to get a little primating sprayer

3805
02:31:39,990 --> 02:31:37,040
for about 14

3806
02:31:42,230 --> 02:31:40,000
i mean you're talking 70 80

3807
02:31:44,389 --> 02:31:42,240
for something that probably cost pennies

3808
02:31:46,230 --> 02:31:44,399
to to manufacture

3809
02:31:48,469 --> 02:31:46,240
and again you know i don't want to get

3810
02:31:49,670 --> 02:31:48,479
into a debate of the capitalist system

3811
02:31:55,030 --> 02:31:49,680
and and

3812
02:31:57,990 --> 02:31:55,040
your your quarter earnings reports are

3813
02:31:59,429 --> 02:31:58,000
okay to your uh to your shareholders in

3814
02:32:01,750 --> 02:31:59,439
any of that but

3815
02:32:05,030 --> 02:32:01,760
i think there definitely has to be a cap

3816
02:32:07,910 --> 02:32:05,040
placed on just the outrageousness of uh

3817
02:32:10,790 --> 02:32:07,920
of medicine and pharmaceutical costs and

3818
02:32:12,870 --> 02:32:10,800
medical care costs look at that

3819
02:32:14,469 --> 02:32:12,880
shaq's villi character whoever he was

3820
02:32:16,790 --> 02:32:14,479
about the aids medicine and jack the

3821
02:32:18,950 --> 02:32:16,800
price up like he did he became the

3822
02:32:20,790 --> 02:32:18,960
poster boy for this whole subject

3823
02:32:22,870 --> 02:32:20,800
i would one would hope

3824
02:32:24,550 --> 02:32:22,880
that that kind of momentum will continue

3825
02:32:25,910 --> 02:32:24,560
through the industry

3826
02:32:27,670 --> 02:32:25,920
and that uh

3827
02:32:29,750 --> 02:32:27,680
the rampant greed

3828
02:32:32,630 --> 02:32:29,760
i mean you can't really call it anything

3829
02:32:35,670 --> 02:32:32,640
else the rampant greed is addressed for

3830
02:32:38,150 --> 02:32:35,680
the sake and well-being of of our health

3831
02:32:40,389 --> 02:32:38,160
i think one of the big issues that is

3832
02:32:42,630 --> 02:32:40,399
overlooked though is people have talked

3833
02:32:44,230 --> 02:32:42,640
about certain rates increasing and they

3834
02:32:47,190 --> 02:32:44,240
certainly have

3835
02:32:50,469 --> 02:32:47,200
but there seems to be a myth that those

3836
02:32:52,790 --> 02:32:50,479
costs didn't exist previously

3837
02:32:54,469 --> 02:32:52,800
the answer is yes it did that the people

3838
02:32:56,790 --> 02:32:54,479
who were off

3839
02:32:58,150 --> 02:32:56,800
now have some health care that didn't

3840
02:33:00,790 --> 02:32:58,160
before

3841
02:33:02,630 --> 02:33:00,800
many of them were in fact getting health

3842
02:33:05,510 --> 02:33:02,640
care the point was they were going to

3843
02:33:08,389 --> 02:33:05,520
emergency rooms a very expensive option

3844
02:33:10,950 --> 02:33:08,399
on doing it and it was getting paid just

3845
02:33:13,990 --> 02:33:10,960
through your tax dollars you just didn't

3846
02:33:15,750 --> 02:33:14,000
happen to see it identified as such

3847
02:33:17,190 --> 02:33:15,760
well i i think that's we're going to see

3848
02:33:19,830 --> 02:33:17,200
more and more of that

3849
02:33:21,830 --> 02:33:19,840
i think it's uh it's just the

3850
02:33:24,790 --> 02:33:21,840
tip of the iceberg in terms of a problem

3851
02:33:26,309 --> 02:33:24,800
here uh in the in the near future i

3852
02:33:28,230 --> 02:33:26,319
think more and more people who can't

3853
02:33:29,990 --> 02:33:28,240
afford health care can't afford

3854
02:33:31,910 --> 02:33:30,000
medicines they're using emergency rooms

3855
02:33:33,429 --> 02:33:31,920
as their primary care

3856
02:33:35,910 --> 02:33:33,439
and that's that's why we're seeing

3857
02:33:38,469 --> 02:33:35,920
reduced life expectancy well i say

3858
02:33:40,790 --> 02:33:38,479
that's just an expensive option

3859
02:33:41,990 --> 02:33:40,800
yeah it is and everybody else ends up

3860
02:33:43,429 --> 02:33:42,000
paying for it

3861
02:33:45,190 --> 02:33:43,439
that was one of the purposes of the

3862
02:33:47,590 --> 02:33:45,200
health care law to get people out of

3863
02:33:49,750 --> 02:33:47,600
emergency rooms and to make health care

3864
02:33:52,550 --> 02:33:49,760
available to almost everyone but then

3865
02:33:53,990 --> 02:33:52,560
the supreme court in kind of finagling

3866
02:33:57,429 --> 02:33:54,000
with the law said

3867
02:33:58,630 --> 02:33:57,439
that the states don't have to have

3868
02:33:59,830 --> 02:33:58,640
medicaid

3869
02:34:01,590 --> 02:33:59,840
and therefore if they don't have

3870
02:34:04,309 --> 02:34:01,600
medicaid what happens the people in

3871
02:34:05,990 --> 02:34:04,319
those states go to the emergency rooms

3872
02:34:08,469 --> 02:34:06,000
right

3873
02:34:12,230 --> 02:34:08,479
well you're raising

3874
02:34:16,230 --> 02:34:12,240
a macro issue there and that is are we

3875
02:34:17,990 --> 02:34:16,240
and do we still want to be a republic

3876
02:34:20,790 --> 02:34:18,000
well that's going to be something which

3877
02:34:22,870 --> 02:34:20,800
is way beyond the scope of the show ufos

3878
02:34:24,710 --> 02:34:22,880
and the paranormal and we're talking

3879
02:34:26,150 --> 02:34:24,720
about scientists

3880
02:34:27,990 --> 02:34:26,160
you know having difficulty getting

3881
02:34:30,230 --> 02:34:28,000
grants but this is also one of the

3882
02:34:32,550 --> 02:34:30,240
reasons why these subjects never get

3883
02:34:34,309 --> 02:34:32,560
investigated because

3884
02:34:36,150 --> 02:34:34,319
a scientist will have to be

3885
02:34:37,510 --> 02:34:36,160
independently wealthy

3886
02:34:40,150 --> 02:34:37,520
to consider it because right now you

3887
02:34:42,550 --> 02:34:40,160
have to look at the situation

3888
02:34:44,469 --> 02:34:42,560
grant money is difficult to get

3889
02:34:46,469 --> 02:34:44,479
maybe private industry will give it to

3890
02:34:48,790 --> 02:34:46,479
them the second thing is they've got the

3891
02:34:51,750 --> 02:34:48,800
student loans to pay off

3892
02:34:53,510 --> 02:34:51,760
you want to get a doctorate in anything

3893
02:34:56,389 --> 02:34:53,520
we have a hundred thousand dollars in

3894
02:35:00,230 --> 02:34:58,150
so you're in so you'll have to have two

3895
02:35:03,030 --> 02:35:00,240
jobs anyway and the second one is going

3896
02:35:06,550 --> 02:35:03,040
to be at wendy's

3897
02:35:08,469 --> 02:35:06,560
the problem is bigger um and i've used

3898
02:35:11,349 --> 02:35:08,479
you know some actual numbers and and

3899
02:35:12,950 --> 02:35:11,359
this gets back to the world view

3900
02:35:15,429 --> 02:35:12,960
if you're doing things that are

3901
02:35:18,309 --> 02:35:15,439
materialistic and we can cut you know we

3902
02:35:20,150 --> 02:35:18,319
start looking for the god particle

3903
02:35:22,230 --> 02:35:20,160
uh and i think we're now down to peta

3904
02:35:24,870 --> 02:35:22,240
quarks and things of that nature another

3905
02:35:28,309 --> 02:35:24,880
we can get it smaller and smaller we are

3906
02:35:31,750 --> 02:35:28,319
willing to put and have put about almost

3907
02:35:33,190 --> 02:35:31,760
18 billion dollars into a large hadron

3908
02:35:34,309 --> 02:35:33,200
collider

3909
02:35:38,550 --> 02:35:34,319
um

3910
02:35:42,230 --> 02:35:38,560
how much money is in ufo research

3911
02:35:44,469 --> 02:35:42,240
the point is research can be expensive

3912
02:35:46,230 --> 02:35:44,479
but when you start by what are you going

3913
02:35:49,750 --> 02:35:46,240
to research

3914
02:35:51,910 --> 02:35:49,760
i use a similar example in near-death

3915
02:35:54,630 --> 02:35:51,920
studies a continuation of consciousness

3916
02:35:57,110 --> 02:35:54,640
beyond bodily death this is something

3917
02:35:59,110 --> 02:35:57,120
that really does impact

3918
02:36:00,469 --> 02:35:59,120
you know virtually 100 percent of

3919
02:36:01,830 --> 02:36:00,479
society

3920
02:36:03,590 --> 02:36:01,840
and yet

3921
02:36:04,630 --> 02:36:03,600
almost no

3922
02:36:07,270 --> 02:36:04,640
research

3923
02:36:09,190 --> 02:36:07,280
efforts involved in that you get a few

3924
02:36:11,349 --> 02:36:09,200
private foundations who

3925
02:36:13,910 --> 02:36:11,359
you know dribble it but nothing

3926
02:36:16,710 --> 02:36:13,920
compared to what you're putting into

3927
02:36:19,030 --> 02:36:16,720
finding the god particle

3928
02:36:23,110 --> 02:36:19,040
well you have to understand if

3929
02:36:24,469 --> 02:36:23,120
a major drug company wanted to finance

3930
02:36:26,469 --> 02:36:24,479
it because they'll come up with some

3931
02:36:28,070 --> 02:36:26,479
kind of medical development where they

3932
02:36:29,910 --> 02:36:28,080
can sell the drug for a hundred thousand

3933
02:36:33,990 --> 02:36:29,920
dollars a month

3934
02:36:40,150 --> 02:36:35,750
well but remember they're

3935
02:36:41,750 --> 02:36:40,160
they're generally funded because you die

3936
02:36:44,870 --> 02:36:41,760
right so there's nobody to pay them

3937
02:36:48,469 --> 02:36:44,880
continue so if we're going to say by the

3938
02:36:50,950 --> 02:36:48,479
way dying may not be as bad as um you

3939
02:36:53,830 --> 02:36:50,960
know what we think that's not the

3940
02:36:55,990 --> 02:36:53,840
solution they would like to achieve

3941
02:36:57,910 --> 02:36:56,000
yeah well it's like the american cancer

3942
02:36:59,670 --> 02:36:57,920
society and cancer research i mean you

3943
02:37:01,830 --> 02:36:59,680
wouldn't have this multi-billion dollar

3944
02:37:04,309 --> 02:37:01,840
industry if there was a cure for cancer

3945
02:37:06,469 --> 02:37:04,319
be a lot of people out of jobs and uh

3946
02:37:09,349 --> 02:37:06,479
all those the monies uh being allocated

3947
02:37:11,110 --> 02:37:09,359
to the problem would go elsewhere and so

3948
02:37:13,750 --> 02:37:11,120
you have kind of a

3949
02:37:16,389 --> 02:37:13,760
you know sort of a self-perpetuating

3950
02:37:18,230 --> 02:37:16,399
treadmill of money being spent and no

3951
02:37:20,309 --> 02:37:18,240
results really coming from it or very

3952
02:37:21,429 --> 02:37:20,319
very little results the long and short

3953
02:37:23,110 --> 02:37:21,439
of it is

3954
02:37:26,469 --> 02:37:23,120
there's no money in it for people who

3955
02:37:28,230 --> 02:37:26,479
want to investigate ufos bigfoot etc

3956
02:37:29,830 --> 02:37:28,240
john alexander please tell our listeners

3957
02:37:31,190 --> 02:37:29,840
where they can find more of the stuff

3958
02:37:34,469 --> 02:37:31,200
that you write about

3959
02:37:36,710 --> 02:37:34,479
best place i'd guess is my website

3960
02:37:38,309 --> 02:37:36,720
or you can google i've done a number of

3961
02:37:41,110 --> 02:37:38,319
articles for

3962
02:37:43,590 --> 02:37:41,120
huffington post most of them are in the

3963
02:37:46,710 --> 02:37:43,600
straight world and including things like

3964
02:37:47,910 --> 02:37:46,720
how to defeat isis without american

3965
02:37:48,630 --> 02:37:47,920
troops

3966
02:37:51,429 --> 02:37:48,640
but

3967
02:37:53,030 --> 02:37:51,439
all of them are linked on my website the

3968
02:37:55,429 --> 02:37:53,040
easiest way to get that rather than

3969
02:37:56,469 --> 02:37:55,439
remember is just google my name

3970
02:37:58,870 --> 02:37:56,479
john b

3971
02:38:01,270 --> 02:37:58,880
the middle initial alexander

3972
02:38:02,070 --> 02:38:01,280
you can find us on twitter if you look

3973
02:38:03,750 --> 02:38:02,080
for

3974
02:38:05,270 --> 02:38:03,760
the power cast

3975
02:38:07,429 --> 02:38:05,280
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3976
02:38:09,910 --> 02:38:07,439
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3977
02:38:11,510 --> 02:38:09,920
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3978
02:38:14,389 --> 02:38:11,520
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3979
02:38:16,710 --> 02:38:14,399
after the power cast the show where we

3980
02:38:19,349 --> 02:38:16,720
wrap things up we have more guests we

3981
02:38:20,309 --> 02:38:19,359
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3982
02:38:21,990 --> 02:38:20,319
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3983
02:38:23,030 --> 02:38:22,000
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3984
02:38:25,270 --> 02:38:23,040
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3985
02:38:27,670 --> 02:38:25,280
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3986
02:38:29,750 --> 02:38:27,680
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3987
02:38:31,990 --> 02:38:29,760
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3988
02:38:34,230 --> 02:38:32,000
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02:38:55,990 --> 02:38:53,760
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02:39:03,410 --> 02:38:56,000
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